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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Martini1991 said:
The 6950XT is an overclocked 6900X isn't it?

So AMD has introduced another "lower" tier card really?
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Yes, the 6950XT are binned 6900XT GPU's, they do come with higher mem frequency out of the box too, I can OC my Phantom D to 6950 XT level but can't on memory as it is limited in the driver, I tend to match, beat or lose by very small margins next to stock 6950 XT's depending on bench and game.
 
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humbug said:
On the CPU side to date AMD have always executed on time and delivered what they promised, sometimes even under promised and over delivered.

The Ryzen 7000 was over priced against Intel's CPU's because they have come back strong, but there is talk of Intel reducing core counts again because they are too big and too expensive to make against AMD's, Intel's hope was they would just take back the market share they had lost to AMD, wich didn't happen, both sides are seeing their older cheaper generations outselling the new ones. especially Zen 3 which is still selling far more that anything Intel and certainly Zen 4.
Because CPU's are so fast now they are more than good enough for the vast majority, i still have my 5800X and fell like it has plenty more to give, i wish i had a GPU that it would even notice! TPU used it out of interest along side the 13900K for the 7900XTX review and concluded its still very capable as a gaming chip.

Add to that Ryzen was the fist and are still the only chiplet CPU's, 6 years in mid 2023 and Intel still hasn't come up with their own, the performance of AMD's CPU in the datacentre, where it really matters is so far ahead of Intel its not even funny anymore, Bulldozer Opteron vs Xeon was funny, Zen 3 vs Icelake is shocking and Zen 4..... 32 Zen 4 cores are outperforming 40 Icelake cores in a dual socket configuration, so 80, Zen 4 scales to 192 cores in dual socket and soon 256 cores, Zen 5 will scale to 512 cores in dual socket.
That's not just the power of chiplets, they are also very good cores, AVX512, the thing that was meant to kill AMD is faster and more efficient on AMD.

AMD have gained a very well deserved reputation for their engineering and ability to execute. Intel used to talk a lot about how in datacentre they are reliable while AMD aren't, they don't talk like that anymore...

And so we get to RDNA3, 2 years ago AMD were asked if they would do chiplet GPU's, they said it was extremely difficult for CPU's and exponentially more difficult for GPU's, but they were certainly looking at it.
2 years later they are here.
That really should have been AMD's crowning moment, it is one hell of an achievement and that should be part of the conversation, instead its about AMD lying on graphs and over charging, this is entirely AMD's own fault, they over promised and under delivered.
I don't know what it is about AMD's GPU division but its still not on the same page as their CPU division, if anything good has come of all this i hope its that they realise that the GPU side of their business needs a radical shakeup to get on the same page.

For good will drop the prices AMD.
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Feel like I should be awarded a medal of something for reading that WoT :D :p
 
humbug said:
The MSRP of the 6800XT was $649, the 7900XTX is $999, its 54% more expensive for 51% more performance, maybe, slightly, it gets worse if you use the 7900XT.

I don't and since review never have made the argument that RDNA3 is good value, it isn't, i would like to see the 7900XTX at $899 and the 7900XT at $749.

That also puts it in to perspective, yes its over priced, but its not that bad and you have people in here trying to make the 4080 good value next to it, even some tech tubers who claim they want to see AMD do well are doing that, they say one thing and then upsell Nvidia......
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None are good value.

4080 is literally a 4070 (simple, not the ti version) sold for almost 2.5x its normal price from last gen - which was $500.
7900xtx, for the sake of argument, is about just as fast and as expensive in retail since AMD can't or won't control the retailers . so equally a joke.
7900xt idem.
4070 looks like what 4060ti should have been, so a $400 card from last gen sold as a $900 one most likely.

Is not bad, is outrageous and gamers shouldn't buy any of them!

But, just as the boiling frog, there are many that are happy to pay the asking price if it only were a bit less...

And regarding the other post about the chiplet design, as a customer, why should I care? It looks more and more like a gentleman agreement between the companies to increase the prices as much as possible and give up competition. Since competition is off the table, why should I care if these are the last dedicated gaming graphics cards that AMD ever makes or that will become nr1 eventually? It truly doesn't matter anymore. The prices will be the same either way.
 
Calin Banc said:
None are good value.

4080 is literally a 4070 (simple, not the ti version) sold for almost 2.5x its normal price from last gen - which was $500.
7900xtx, for the sake of argument, is about just as fast and as expensive in retail since AMD can't or won't control the retailers . so equally a joke.
7900xt idem.
4070 looks like what 4060ti should have been, so a $400 card from last gen sold as a $900 one most likely.

Is not bad, is outrageous and gamers shouldn't buy any of them!

But, just as the boiling frog, there are many that are happy to pay the asking price if it only were a bit less...

And regarding the other post about the chiplet design, as a customer, why should I care? It looks more and more like a gentleman agreement between the companies to increase the prices as much as possible and give up competition. Since competition is off the table, why should I care if these are the last dedicated gaming graphics cards that AMD ever makes or that will become nr1 eventually? It truly doesn't matter anymore. The prices will be the same either way.
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Exactly. That's why I find it funny seeing people trying to make it sound like the 7900 XTX is good value somehow, just because the terrible 4080 costs more. Erm, no mate they are both terrible.
 
TNA said:
Exactly. That's why I find it funny seeing people trying to make it sound like the 7900 XTX is good value somehow, just because the terrible 4080 costs more. Erm, no mate they are both terrible.
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Even the price is about the same in retail since AMD can't or won't control it. The 7900xtx has zero advantage when it comes to pricing. You have to like it strictly on its performance and features.
 
Calin Banc said:
It doesn't matter the performance for any of them (nVIDIA or AMD), they are all badly priced as in too high; boycot all of them - btw, the price difference between 4080 and 7900xtx is not that big in retail, you can even get the AMD card at a higher price.

You said in a different post about a point of reference, well, here it is:

7900xtx is about 51% faster than 6800xt as per TPU



6800xt, cheapest at 630 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900xtx, cheapest at 1130 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1at-pc.html

so 51% more performance in general for 79% more money. Is that a good deal? Is that a good direction to encourage?

6800xt, cheapest at 630 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900xt, cheapest at 870 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1aq-pc.html

27% more performance for 38% more money.

How will the 7800xt fit into this? 10-15% more performance for 20-25% more money?

Is a joke that's what it is. In what world is that a "breakthrough performance" compared to last gen? You can totally ignore nVIDIA here, 7900xt(x) are not that great even compared to their last offerings. But, once they'll stop with 6xxx series it won't matter as there isn't anything else to buy either way, just the "breakthrough performance" option.
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This is typical for new high end though.

780 vs 680, 780Ti vs 780, 980Ti vs 980 etc were all the same or worse perf/$ when comparing MSRP of the new card to the street price of the old card.

The 1080 was an exception vs 980Ti and the 980 was also an exception vs the 780Ti but there are more gens where the firesale last gen parts are better value propositions than the new parts than vice versa.

The 7900XTX at MSRP is pretty much the same perf/$ as the 6800XT and 6900XT.

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Grim5 said:
From HUB: we have 3 new hardware launches for January under review

What will they be
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Definitely the 40 series replacements for the 30 series. 30 series stock seems to be quite reduced, looks like everything is in place.

As others have said Ryzen X3D variants are due, and frankly needed to take various crowns back.

I'd like to think mid tier AMD GPUs are the 3rd, but it's likely intel CPUs as others have said.
 
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timorous said:
This is typical for new high end though.

780 vs 680, 780Ti vs 780, 980Ti vs 980 etc were all the same or worse perf/$ when comparing MSRP of the new card to the street price of the old card.

The 1080 was an exception vs 980Ti and the 980 was also an exception vs the 780Ti but there are more gens where the firesale last gen parts are better value propositions than the new parts than vice versa.

The 7900XTX at MSRP is pretty much the same perf/$ as the 6800XT and 6900XT.
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And pricing is all over the place too, which just blurs the line between the two products. No, I am afraid that AMD dropped the ball on this one. They need to reduce the price of the 7900XTX by at least another £100 and the XT by £200 (personally I think that's still over-priced).
 
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SpellowHouse said:
And pricing is all over the place too, which just blurs the line between the two products. No, I am afraid that AMD dropped the ball on this one. They need to reduce the price of the 7900XTX by at least another £100 and the XT by £200 (personally I think that's still over-priced).
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Nvidia needs to reduce prices too.

I think AMD has released a new tech with this design and there's teething troubles with it, but in the end as usual with AMD it will age very well indeed - and that's when I'll be buying it. Unless Nvidia can sell me a better card for the same price.
 
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