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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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Which makes the price even more laughable. AMD keeps on losing respect like this.
In the past they were my favourite. They offered excellent value CPU's, then they got popular and went silly pricing on the FX line as I recall. Recently again as soon as they see a bit off success they up their prices on current CPU's. The past few gens they are doing it with their GPU's too.
Now I just don't care about any company. Underdog or whatever, who cares. I buy what I fancy and at current prices I fancy nothing. Roll on next gen
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Interesting, if flawed argument with many assumptions... Yes, a smallER player than the automotive industry, but a half billion GBP business with manufacturing worldwide, including from Costa Rica, to the US, China & in the UK
I'm sure you can selectively find prices that substantiate your point, as can I. A very real data point I have is the PSU I purchased 18 months ago (and not an EOL product that is being reduced to clear older stock) - very same product, current, no improvements or changes. List price is 15% higher.
There will be examples that show the opposite, but it does not change the main premise - many costs have increased significantly over the past 2 years, and that cannot but put upward price pressure on a wide range of products and businesses.
Just buy nothing. Won't get screwed then.
This ^^
How often it is the case that people don’t read what is in front of them, but rather see/hear what they want toAnd then it’s the author’s fault for not making it clear enough.
I can't be bothered watching the whole video again but where did they show the rigs in their reveal? Skipped to end to have quick look but couldn't see anything.
Wasn't there something about them also removing certain slides to do with power efficiency or/and comparison to 4090? Supposedly they have also gone and changed/reduced certain performance numbers in product pages.
To me that is misleading.
Wouldn't really say those are "misleading" as nvidia never made claims their gpus would have zero coil whine (and this can be affected by so many factors too) and I don't think they ever said anything about cables and the power sockets being issue free/advertising point... and hasn't gamer nexus and other sources debunked that as being user error with people not plugging their cables in properly? (of course could be argued poor design choice by nvidia but that's another matter...)
Nvidias was actually pretty good in comparison to amds this year, they showed what the test rig was in each game slide and iirc it was the same rig used throughout their comparisons, they included what dlss preset mode they were using and when/where FG was being used, where as with amd..... we had to go and look at other reviews in order to figure out which preset of FSR was being used and well the claims amd made ended up being completely false i.e. their power efficiency claims, their performance figures and well all the other issues of VR performance, performance being considerably worse in other titles.
These shows are never good and should always be taken with a pinch of salt, usually amd have been quite good here but not this time round.
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Ok, fair enough. Where I live the prices are still around MSRP levels or a bit higher for the 6800xt.
Lets look then from MSRP to MSRP point of view.
7900xtx is 54% more expensive than 6800xt while being 51% faster.
7900xt is 38% more expensive than 6800xt while being 27% faster.
So both in the negative, meaning you pay more for less performance than previous gen! aka #breakthroughperformance!
Is still very, very bad. Look at may other post, these (7900xtx and 4080) should have been $500 cards based on previous generation. But hey, people want to shave just $100-$200 to buy them, so it is what it is. Considering the price they sale, probably AMD and nVIDIA should have priced them even higher.
At worst the 7900xt should have actually been a 7800xt for $649 for a mediocre 6800xt replacement - at 27% ... is definitely not stellar! What performance the 7800xt would have now? 10% for the same money? lol worthy.
So yeah, quite bad. Hopefully next gen will bring a 8600 for $500 and a 5050 for $600. People will recommend the 8600 since is providing similar performance in rasterization and considering the inflation, R&D, YoY profits and so on, AMD and nVIDIA couldn't possible sell this any lower. "This is the state of the industry". Yeah, the GPU industry. The Wolf Of Silicon Valley.
Well at 4k the MBA 7900XTX at MSRP is only worse than a 6800.
Bear in mind this is with current street pricing for older cards.
Well at 4k the MBA 7900XTX at MSRP is only worse than a 6800.
Bear in mind this is with current street pricing for older cards.
They made a big mistake on the 4090 price, especially for UK which is around $1700
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They used in stock Newegg pricing at the time of the 7900XTX release and MSRP for the review card. Same as they have done for the historical comparisons I posted earlier so it keeps it all like for like.
Soldato
The horror stories for the 7900 keep on coming. I am really shocked that AMD have made such a mess of this. There is still hope, though, with partner boards. Are there any reviews in yet? When can we expect to see any?
TPU reviewed the TUF and Nitro+ as well as doing an undervolt + OC test. Both managed to get 3.2Ghz clocks and performance in CP2077 was very good with a ~14% increase over the stock MBA card.
Soldato
I don't understand AMD or NVIDIA's pricing strategy at the moment.
The 4090, well, that's a true enthusiasts card so they could pretty much charge anything they like, with that one I don't understand why the huge performance boost over the 3090. I don't understand why NVIDIA pitched the 4080 at such a high price, I don't understand why AMD followed suit (especially since they clearly were not ready to release the product at all). I don't undestand why they didn't want to sell the XT (because no one is going to buy it). It's a mess. which is really not what gamers wanted to see after years of mess that both companies drop the ball.
Don't they realise they are just pricing people out? By all accounts the answer is a "no" since it seems the 4070 and 4070ti are going to be similarly crazy prices.
I guess it's a question of changing the way we buy cards. I used to buy one every two years when they came out, but now I have to change to to "when I can afford them" which may be years after they first launch. I suspect many other people are now in the same boat.
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Soldato
By all accounts the TUF is a lot better than the AMD effort. I think it's one to keep an eye on. Having said that, the price is over the top as usual so I probably won't buy one for a few years, lol.
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Think I'll continue with the 3080 and should be fine as I play at 1440p , only cards this gen worth the uplift from it are 4080 / 7900xtx but I have been priced out and I wont be entertaining the current prices thats for sure if both were in the £700 - £750 range I would likely have bought, maybe next gen will be nice uplift from the 3080 in the £700 range or maybe it will correct itself by that time ? we all know 4080 shouldnt be priced as it is and 7900xtx should be called the 7800xt at lower price
its almost like what they saw during covid /mining boom with how much the cards sold for and thought lets carry on but it was never gonna sustain
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It's likely that they left plenty of headroom for improvement - this was always the case in previous generations, until more recently.
By all accounts the TUF is a lot better than the AMD effort. I think it's one to keep an eye on. Having said that, the price is over the top as usual so I probably won't buy one for a few years, lol.
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Yeah, but the memory chiplets, at least partially, wold still be part of a monolithic GPU.
Either way, a lot more tranzistors for smaller performance overall (including heavy RT scenarios).
Caporegime
Well this is interesting, not Nvidia nor AMD are optimising for Star Citizen because its an on going development changing, sometimes quite radically every 3 months, the reason again is because its deep in development, there is no point in putting the time and work in to optimise it when it changes every few months.
Having said that the final parts of the technology puzzle are now being put in place and they have started optimising and converting it to Vulkan. I have access to that unreleased build so give the GPU to MEEE.....
The 5800X3D is the fastest CPU for Star Citizen, its even faster than the 13900K, where the CPU isn't the bottleneck the 7900XTX is up to 2X as fast as the 3080.
Its quite interesting that for a game that's basically a dev build with no input what so ever from AMD, Nvidia or Intel both AMD's CPU's and GPU's absolutely smash it compared to the rest.
Having said that the final parts of the technology puzzle are now being put in place and they have started optimising and converting it to Vulkan. I have access to that unreleased build so give the GPU to MEEE.....
The 5800X3D is the fastest CPU for Star Citizen, its even faster than the 13900K, where the CPU isn't the bottleneck the 7900XTX is up to 2X as fast as the 3080.
Its quite interesting that for a game that's basically a dev build with no input what so ever from AMD, Nvidia or Intel both AMD's CPU's and GPU's absolutely smash it compared to the rest.
if it enjoys cache obv the 5800x3d is going to wreck on it, last time i played SC you are still not getting decent frame rates regardless of your setup, its a turd for performanceWell this is interesting, not Nvidia nor AMD are optimising for Star Citizen because its an on going development changing, sometimes quite radically every 3 months, the reason again is because its deep in development, there is no point in putting the time and work in to optimise it when it changes every few months.
Having said that the final parts of the technology puzzle are now being put in place and they have started optimising and converting it to Vulkan. I have access to that unreleased build so give the GPU to MEEE.....
The 5800X3D is the fastest CPU for Star Citizen, its even faster than the 13900K, where the CPU isn't the bottleneck the 7900XTX is up to 2X as fast as the 3080.
Its quite interesting that for a game that's basically a dev build with no input what so ever from AMD, Nvidia or Intel both AMD's CPU's and GPU's absolutely smash it compared to the rest.
Caporegime
Its already better in 3.18. its getting near where they will be switching off DX11 completely, even after that they have a lot of work on optimising Vulkan once that is the only API driving it.