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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Nexus18 said:
I can't be bothered watching the whole video again but where did they show the rigs in their reveal? Skipped to end to have quick look but couldn't see anything.


Wasn't there something about them also removing certain slides to do with power efficiency or/and comparison to 4090? Supposedly they have also gone and changed/reduced certain performance numbers in product pages.

To me that is misleading.



Wouldn't really say those are "misleading" as nvidia never made claims their gpus would have zero coil whine (and this can be affected by so many factors too) and I don't think they ever said anything about cables and the power sockets being issue free/advertising point... and hasn't gamer nexus and other sources debunked that as being user error with people not plugging their cables in properly? (of course could be argued poor design choice by nvidia but that's another matter...)

Nvidias was actually pretty good in comparison to amds this year, they showed what the test rig was in each game slide and iirc it was the same rig used throughout their comparisons, they included what dlss preset mode they were using and when/where FG was being used, where as with amd..... we had to go and look at other reviews in order to figure out which preset of FSR was being used and well the claims amd made ended up being completely false i.e. their power efficiency claims, their performance figures and well all the other issues of VR performance, performance being considerably worse in other titles.

These shows are never good and should always be taken with a pinch of salt, usually amd have been quite good here but not this time round.
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Best is to keep your expectation not that high and wait for reviews. :)

timorous said:
Well at 4k the MBA 7900XTX at MSRP is only worse than a 6800.

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Bear in mind this is with current street pricing for older cards.
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Fair enough.
MSRP to MSRP is 54% more expensive.
At 4k is 59% quicker than 6800xt, so a 5% improvement gen on gen...

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humbug said:
Well this is interesting, not Nvidia nor AMD are optimising for Star Citizen because its an on going development changing, sometimes quite radically every 3 months, the reason again is because its deep in development, there is no point in putting the time and work in to optimise it when it changes every few months.
Having said that the final parts of the technology puzzle are now being put in place and they have started optimising and converting it to Vulkan. I have access to that unreleased build so give the GPU to MEEE..... :D

The 5800X3D is the fastest CPU for Star Citizen, its even faster than the 13900K, where the CPU isn't the bottleneck the 7900XTX is up to 2X as fast as the 3080.

Its quite interesting that for a game that's basically a dev build with no input what so ever from AMD, Nvidia or Intel both AMD's CPU's and GPU's absolutely smash it compared to the rest.

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I wish devs will take the best path possible, what should work best and let AMD and nVIDIA build their hardware around that. Go Vulkan, go DX12, whatever, but stop this approach that some games have which favors heavily one or another.

Alt0153 said:
if it enjoys cache obv the 5800x3d is going to wreck on it, last time i played SC you are still not getting decent frame rates regardless of your setup, its a turd for performance
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Is not quite a turd (with a 5800x3d at least), but it does need it's own time to grow and the devs at least put the effort in it compared to other studios...
 
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for dx12/vulkan doom eternal is perhaps the perfect benchmark, the guys at id are wizards with this kind of tech.. its going to be pretty difficult optimizing the game if you are an unproven studio manned without the right talent mix.. dx12/vulkan shifts a lot of responsibility from driver teams to game devs. even cdpr has second thoughts abt tech development in dx12/vulkan era so the are probably thinking of licensing the unreal engine, they might have learnt their lessons post cp2077
 
Calin Banc said:
I wish devs will take the best path possible, what should work best and let AMD and nVIDIA build their hardware around that. Go Vulkan, go DX12, whatever, but stop this approach that some games have which favors heavily one or another.

Is not quite a turd (with a 5800x3d at least), but it does need it's own time to grow and the devs at least put the effort in it compared to other studios...
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Agreed, IMO some vendor sponsored games are made to run bad so the sponsor can upsell you faster more expensive hardware.

Frankly i'm amazed Star Citizen runs reasonably well at all, there is a very good reason games on this scale, EVE, No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous... are either graphics that are a few generations old or in the case of NMS cartoon, SC has the biggest scale of all of them, it still runs graphics that are as good as any of todays AAA titles and improving all the time.
If i turn the clouds off it runs perfectly fine with Very High settings at 1440P on 5800X / 2070 Super, it runs better than Elite Dangerous Oddesey which has graphics from 2010.
 
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Based on your video the 7900xtx has 5%-10% higher lows than the rtx3080, I wouldn't call it amazing. I didn't see any cpu benchmarks during my skimming. But meh regardless it's a trash game that will never get released anyway and its game engine is over 10 years old now
 
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Grim5 said:
Based on your video the 7900xtx has 5%-10% higher lows than the rtx3080, I wouldn't call it amazing. I didn't see any cpu benchmarks during my skimming. But meh regardless it's a trash game that will never get released anyway and its game engine is over 10 years old now
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Its not Cryengine, its their own in house engine.

Its not something that is cobbled together over 2 years intent on relieving you of £45 for 6 months of mediocrity before you never play it again and forget about it.
 
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humbug said:
Its not Cryengine, its their own in house engine.

Its not something that is cobbled together over 2 years intent on relieving you of £45 for 6 months of mediocrity before you never play it again and forget about it.
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no if we are on about star citizen its something that has been cobbled together for the past 10 years to get over half a billion dollars in pledges but still only have the barebones of a game actually available to play
 
Alt0153 said:
no if we are on about star citizen its something that has been cobbled together for the past 10 years to get over half a billion dollars in pledges but still only have the barebones of a game actually available to play
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All these arguments are incredibly subjective but also completely off the wall, bare-bones? Compare to what? Give me an example, there are several different types of games and they are all copies of eachother with almost nothing in them pushing you through fixed rails of uninspired mission loops, i've been doing that for 30+ years and spend at most 500 hours in each before tiring of it.
I picked up Star Citizen in Feb 2013 and haven't put it down since, i must be up to 10,000 hours now.

I mean, there is a contradiction in these arguments, $540 Million to date, 4.3 Million accounts, 10 years. Still growing faster each year. And that's a bad thing.... how many come and gone games has there been in that time?

 
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Grim5 said:
This dude's theories :cry:

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I advise everyone to ignore this YouTuber. His AMD performance numbers are terrible.
He has no idea how to tune an AMD CPU or GPU, and he ends up crippling performance to make his other hardware look better. His DDR5 tune on Ryzen is so bad that I have significantly better Aida64 latency, read and write bandwidth with DDR5 6000Mhz than he has running DDR5 6400Mhz. It’s no wonder his views and engagement numbers are so low when he is clearly so biased and lacking in knowledge.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
I don't understand AMD or NVIDIA's pricing strategy at the moment.

The 4090, well, that's a true enthusiasts card so they could pretty much charge anything they like, with that one I don't understand why the huge performance boost over the 3090. I don't understand why NVIDIA pitched the 4080 at such a high price, I don't understand why AMD followed suit (especially since they clearly were not ready to release the product at all). I don't undestand why they didn't want to sell the XT (because no one is going to buy it). It's a mess. which is really not what gamers wanted to see after years of mess that both companies drop the ball.

Don't they realise they are just pricing people out? By all accounts the answer is a "no" since it seems the 4070 and 4070ti are going to be similarly crazy prices.

I guess it's a question of changing the way we buy cards. I used to buy one every two years when they came out, but now I have to change to to "when I can afford them" which may be years after they first launch. I suspect many other people are now in the same boat.
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I think Nvidia priced them so they could sell off all the left over ampere but AMDs pricing of the 7900XT seems baffling to me.

The only reason I can think they priced it that high is to try goad Nvidia into dropping the 4070ti at $900 and then they'll cut the 7900XT price to $700-800 which will leave AMD with better options either side.
 
Joxeon said:
I think Nvidia priced them so they could sell off all the left over ampere but AMDs pricing of the 7900XT seems baffling to me.

The only reason I can think they priced it that high is to try goad Nvidia into dropping the 4070ti at $900 and then they'll cut the 7900XT price to $700-800 which will leave AMD with better options either side.
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What's stopping nVIDIA to drop the 4070ti price as well? I think both players have priced their cards higher in order to get rid of the old stock that was in way too much quantity, plus it will be a good way to milk consumers of every penny and in the process find out what's tolerable in terms of price.
 
Calin Banc said:
What's stopping nVIDIA to drop the 4070ti price as well? I think both players have priced their cards higher in order to get rid of the old stock that was in way too much quantity, plus it will be a good way to milk consumers of every penny and in the process find out what's tolerable in terms of price.
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They could but it would be unlikely Nvidia would cut at launch plus the higher Nvidia set prices the happier AMD will be as it gives them more room to overprice the rest of their line up.
 
Alt0153 said:
if it enjoys cache obv the 5800x3d is going to wreck on it, last time i played SC you are still not getting decent frame rates regardless of your setup, its a turd for performance
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No idea when you last played but I've been getting 60-90fps in SC for almost 18 months now. There are videos and such in the SC thread going that far back. It runs better than ED for instance ever has.

Yes it can be really bad at the end of a server but that isn't exactly common. Even in the middle of cities with the volumetric clouds in a group of 7 players and the dozens of NPC and ships etc it was getting 50fps+
 
AMD response to Toms Hardware

"We are aware that some users are experiencing unexpected thermal throttling on AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX reference model graphics cards. Users experiencing unexpected thermal throttling of an AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX should contact AMD Support."
 
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Grim5 said:
This dude's theories :cry:

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AMD would have to walk away from the console market to actually have this happen. It’s just a stupid made up story. We are in a recession and crypto mining isn’t happening so people aren’t spending money on GPUs. It’s not anymore complicated than that.
 
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