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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Vince said:
Like here...


That's right, AMD are in my game gear. Actually this isn't my Game Gear but one im modding for somebody but they are also in mine :)
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Haha that's an old CPLD from memory! An automotive 5V one! Haven't seen those for ages, but put a bunch of them into trucks at one point... I miss working with Xilinx...
 
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Poneros said:
Firstly I'm talking about Nvidia and not Intel, and if they had done that then they would have to deal with being a monopoly. Besides that's ancient history now & the environment is markedly different.
I also think it's incorrect to put the blame on Nvidia for all those companies failing, they simply couldn't keep up & in 3dfx's case their downfall was due to their own arrogance and poor decision-making.


We're talking about the GPU division and not the company as a whole.


Actually that's not true, you can absolutely tune RT to have AMD near/on par with Nvidia, there's definitely a sweetspot for it, just check Far Cry 6 for example. So long as the BVH building is carefully managed then AMD can do fine.
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If by tuning you mean making it non-existent. The RT in Far Cry 6 is extremely weak. The RT shadows do not apply to vegetation which is almost the entirety of the map. The RT reflections also don't apply to water bodies and even the reflections on rougher surfaces are extremely low resolution.

RT with AMD sponsred games designed for RDNA2 was more in the nature of a checkbox. Thankfully now that AMD has caught up with Ampere in RT, we should atleast be seeing decent RT in AMD sponsored games.

Although Lovelace is crazy fast in RT, Ampere levels of performance is very respectable to turn on in games.
 
humbug said:
Intel's competitive comeback comes at a cost you know, AMD are earning more per-sale than Intel are, and Intel fab their own CPU's, Pat keeps crying about how they have to get the margins up, he's just gone to Mr Biden for a $52 Billion bailout because they are skint.
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TBH I don't particularly care which company is raking in more dough as I am not a shareholder. I buy whichever is the fastest available at the time. I bought the 12900k because it was the fastest for gaming before the 3D came out. Next upgrade will be the 7900X3D whenever it launches. Personally I didn't think DDR4 would get obsolete so easily but the 4090 really needs DDR5 if I decide to play on 3440x1440.
 
Nvidia keeps pushing RT because it is one of the few things that they have better than AMD (who continue to prioritise raster performance) with regards to games. However, while AMD's RT performance is "barely good enough", that's the same for every Nvidia card under the 4090.

If you're not willing to pay extreme amounts of money for Nvidia's halo product (which is designed to make you think the rest of the 4xxx products have the same power and features), then you'll find that lesser Nvidia cards are in the same boat as AMD products with regards to RT, ie, barely good enough for current games, and with a big performance penalty.

The 4090's lead in RT is irrelevant to buying decisions if you're not even in the realm of spending the best part of two grand on a graphics card, because neither the upcoming Nvidia or AMD cards can get beyond "adequate" in regards to RT. The 4090 and it's marketing around it's RT performance exists just to convince buyers that lower cards in the 40x0 stack will have the same advantages, when IMO they likely won't.
 
Steampunk said:
Nvidia keeps pushing RT because it is one of the few things that they have better than AMD (who continue to prioritise raster performance) with regards to games. However, while AMD's RT performance is "barely good enough", that's the same for every Nvidia card under the 4090.
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Yup, though that's not really the problem for AMD, the problem for AMD is finally shaking off this "bad driver" reputation which seems nigh on impossible, and regaining a chunk of market share. People STILL, to this day gibber and gibber about the drivers. Just look at any YouTube review of any amd gpu and look in the comments, you'll find at least a few going on about them like it's still an issue.
 
Gerard said:
Yup, though that's not really the problem for AMD, the problem for AMD is finally shaking off this "bad driver" reputation which seems nigh on impossible, and regaining a chunk of market share. People STILL, to this day gibber and gibber about the drivers. Just look at any YouTube review of any amd gpu and look in the comments, you'll find at least a few going on about them like it's still an issue.
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actually i remember MLID(i think it was him..) talking about this saying stuff like AMD should hire youtubers, like LTT, to showcase the driver experience and what do you know.. LTT has just recently done just that.. wonder if they listened :P.
 
harmattan said:
Any word on UK pricing yet? I keep hearing in the £1200s for the 7900xtx which would be quite hilarious and would nope me out.
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Reference cards are £1049 for now, but could be as low as £999 depends on what price AMD want to target (support), being below the £1k barrier is a serious psychological barrier for a lot of buyers.
 
Gerard said:
Yup, though that's not really the problem for AMD, the problem for AMD is finally shaking off this "bad driver" reputation which seems nigh on impossible, and regaining a chunk of market share. People STILL, to this day gibber and gibber about the drivers. Just look at any YouTube review of any amd gpu and look in the comments, you'll find at least a few going on about them like it's still an issue.
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Funnily enough the people sporting this sentiment (about poor drivers) have owned largely nvidia cards. Now if someone like @JediFragger who switches regularly between the brands for example shared it was a big thing then I would sit up and take note.
 
StriderX said:
I thought AMD don't sell reference cards here?
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Board partners will have ref cards at launch, they won't be around for long in retail channels, and we're screwed for access to the AMD store in the UK.
If you want a ref card, you'll have to do a mad scramble on launch for it.
 
Legion said:
Board partners will have ref cards at launch, they won't be around for long in retail channels, and we're screwed for access to the AMD store in the UK.
If you want a ref card, you'll have to do a mad scramble on launch for it.
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I'm still hoping gibbo will help us forum users out so we don't get caught out by scalpers buying first
 
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Phixsator said:
actually i remember MLID(i think it was him..) talking about this saying stuff like AMD should hire youtubers, like LTT, to showcase the driver experience and what do you know.. LTT has just recently done just that.. wonder if they listened :p.
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Yep, just a few weeks ago on their weekly livestream, Linus was saying they simply gave up on AMD years ago because of driver issues, and hadn't tried since because they'd heard the same promises over again and had been disappointed each time. LTT have just been repeating the same old "driver issues" misinformation from years back.

Now LTT have actually tried using AMD cards, they've realised they are every bit as good with regards to drivers (maybe better in some ways). I suspect this was as much prompted by Nvidia's recent debacles of "unlaunching" a card that was misnamed in an attempt to con the public, HP12V melting cables, and worst of all, the crazy 4090 price hike. In the face of Nvidia's many own goals, and Intel's ARC simply not performing (either in hardware or in drivers), there's a lot of interest in seeing if AMD's new cards can deliver where others have fallen over.

With the likes of LTT and others getting the message out, AMD may finally be able to overcome the misinformation coming from Nvidia and other people with an agenda, and those who've not had an AMD card in their systems for several years but continue to parrot the same outdated statements.
 
Phixsator said:
LTT has just recently done just that.. wonder if they listened :p.
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I think the part of the video that speaks volumes and if you are using a VRR monitor diminishes the whole green vs red fight; is that the writer swapped his team green card for team red and then forgot the card was in his personal machine. Considering that the framerates were almost certainly different it shows that in practise most people won't notice a difference in framerate assuming the difference is small percentage.
 
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