AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[kieran_read]

The way the pricing currently is, the 4080 Ti will fit right between the 4090 and 4080 and will be closer to the 4090 than the 4080. It makes the 4080 pointless. Buying a 4080 is not a good move as it's so apparent they will be launching a far superior Ti for £100 more.

I agree with you there and I would expect the 4080ti to be around the same if not better performance than the 7900xtx

Or at least be competitive, the problem is they have backed themselves into a corner on how they price the 4080ti so it's possible it will end up being the direct competitor to the 7900xtx but at a higher price but like you say would make the 4080 obselete.

Will be interesting to see how it ends up performing and fits into the stack.

 

[Shaz12]

I agree with you there and I would expect the 4080ti to be around the same if not better performance than the 7900xtx

Or at least be competitive, the problem is they have backed themselves into a corner on how they price the 4080ti so it's possible it will end up being the direct competitor to the 7900xtx but at a higher price but like you say would make the 4080 obselete.

Will be interesting to see how it ends up performing and fits into the stack.

Personally I thought they would slash the 4080 pricing to £899-999 to make room for the Ti but since we are so close to launch next week it looks as if they won't do it.

Nvidia does not like bad reviews for it's high end products and based on current pricing reviewers will destroy this card so it will be interesting to see how sales shape up and how Nvidia responds to the reviews.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

The thing is these are planned years in advance.

Normally 4080 series cards are only 20% or so slower than the 4090 cards, so AMD aiming to be better than the 4080 makes sense not quite 4090 level but close enough to be between the expected 4080 specs and the 4090, this would match up with AMDs claims 1.5 - 1.7x performance would put it around 10-20% slower than the 4090 roughtly where the 4080 should sit, this would also match AMD's price, $200 cheaper than the 4080 for roughly the same performance or better (less the obvious weaker RT performance). The problem is Nvidia royally scewed themselves over by having the 4080 60% of the 4090 rather than the usual 80% based on past releases, AMD likely expected the 4080 to be 80% of the 4090 spec thus aimed for that mark, the problem is Nvidia gambled their hand and lost, this makes the 4080 way less valuable than the AMD competition.

Of course we will need to see the final reviews, but i do expect the 7900xtx to be comfortably better than the 4080 in normal performance, RT is up in the air, i think the 4080 will be roughtly 3090ti RT performance or a tad better but not by a significant margin.

This is a really good explanation on what AMD was thinking when they called it the 4080 competitor. I guess technically AMD was calling Nvidia out on their ********

 

[gpuerrilla]

The question becomes, is if say the 4080 pulls 80fps on a game then 120fps with DLSS, is that better or worse than an AMD card that pulls 100fps without FSR?

A slower card to pull ahead using frame generation or a faster native card but slower when you factor in the lack of "fake frames"

Personally I would prefer the faster card as not all games will support DLSS.

It reminds me of turing when I lol'ed at the 'advice' forum experts were telling people who were in two minds between a 2060 and other options - were being told "just get it as you can always use ray tracing". Anyone will know the tier will struggle so having the lowest in the stack it was a feature that was seldom going to be beneficial when your spec is weak.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I agree with you there and I would expect the 4080ti to be around the same if not better performance than the 7900xtx

Or at least be competitive, the problem is they have backed themselves into a corner on how they price the 4080ti so it's possible it will end up being the direct competitor to the 7900xtx but at a higher price but like you say would make the 4080 obselete.

Will be interesting to see how it ends up performing and fits into the stack.

Agree also, where this will be OK will be the latter end of the cycle. Unfortunately when fresh the prices are likley to be sky high for ages until stock isnt moving and its sat gathering dust. It should drop to palletable pricing but again as you mentioned it makes the 4080 a truly pointless card when your spending so much.

 

[SpellowHouse]

I see some 7900's are appearing from other manufacturers. Look very interesting. I'm going to buy my new monitor in about a weeks time, then we will see about this 7900xtx!

 

[arknor]

Seems a very precise reason for a 3rd party hack not working perfectly.

yea old hardware not being up to the job.... same excuse as 3000 series not having the same ray tracing performance right

why can't they just download more cores and ram

 

[harmattan]

Yep said it few pages back gents.

The same excuses happened in the past, be it physx, hairworks, g-sync etc. The latest one is ray tracing. Whilst it is a cool feature its still in its infancy and not supported by much of the volume out there regardless of what salesmen say. So even now when AMD is actually 'competitive' and is a chunk cheaper you are still seeing the boo boys playing it down. As I expect most enthusiasts to have an ampere card already, the recent gen release of cards probably wont be attracting many due to the insane prices. The performance leap is OK or par for the course. Its going to be interesting to see how many people buy these sku's as they are all over a grand.

Preach, brother. No way in holy heckfire I'm paying £200+ more for RT performance, especially when it sounds like 7900 series will be on par with Ampere RT performance, which was in my view, good enough to see the (admittedly paltry) benefits in the few titles where it's noticeable.

You're point on cost is entirely valid. I don't see tons of people buying these if they are above the £1000 mark. But they are certainly the best option for most PC gaming enthusiasts.

 

[Hotwired]

yea old hardware not being up to the job

It's a 3rd party hack saying it's not working properly.

Does that mean it can't work properly or that they can't get it to work?

Nvidia has zero interest in letting it work on older cards so they can do a whole range of things to prevent it working on anything other than the newest cards.

They want it to be a new shiny upsell factor for 4000 series.

 

[Grimfusion]

It's a 3rd party hack saying it's not working properly.

Does that mean it can't work properly or that they can't get it to work?

Nvidia has zero interest in letting it work on older cards so they can do a whole range of things to prevent it working on anything other than the newest cards.

They want it to be a new shiny upsell factor for 4000 series.

Yeah and then you have AMD providing FSR 3.0 for legacy generation AMD GPUs and NVidia GPUs. The way it should be. AMD are playing the long game. I'm sure Nvidia could have made DLSS 3.0 work on 3000 series and previous gen to a point.

 

[arknor]

Does that mean it can't work properly or that they can't get it to work?

it means they would have to nerf it for the 40 series to get it to run properly on old hardware

 

[Hotwired]

it means they would have to nerf it for the 40 series to get it to run properly on old hardware

Why would you think that?

Drivers have support for a ton of different cards at once and they will either not work or work badly if they are not supported by that driver.

I said prevent, I think it's much more likely that Nvidia simply didn't spend a single minute writing in support for anything other than 4000 series so even if someone hacks DLSS3 to "work" on another series the lack of proper support will sabotage it.

 

[arknor]

I said prevent, I think it's much more likely that Nvidia simply didn't spend a single minute writing in support for anything other than 4000 series so even if someone hacks DLSS3 to "work" on another series the lack of proper support will sabotage it.

or the lack of actual hardware on the card will

 

[Nexus18]

When FSR 3 arrives (probably be end of next year though), it will confirm if having hardware dedicated to it is required in order to get a good experience in terms of keeping latency down & no obvious visual issues during gameplay.....

 

[uscool]

it means they would have to nerf it for the 40 series to get it to run properly on old hardware

why ? if FSR can keep on improving why couldnt they do it on 30 series ? dont think anyone would expect massive gains thats for 40 series but would welcome some improvement on 30 series , You know why because it involves more work saying that dont they still have excess ampere chips to off load so could help lol

 

[gpuerrilla]

Preach, brother. No way in holy heckfire I'm paying £200+ more for RT performance, especially when it sounds like 7900 series will be on par with Ampere RT performance, which was in my view, good enough to see the (admittedly paltry) benefits in the few titles where it's noticeable.

You're point on cost is entirely valid. I don't see tons of people buying these if they are above the £1000 mark. But they are certainly the best option for most PC gaming enthusiasts.

Exactly mate, not long ago we were discussing graphics cards in the £200-£350 bracket which had generational leaps in performance and would upgrade every other cycle (or sometimes refresh models in between).

Now we are subliminnaly being presented that these same components should now cost us double or even quadrouple because 'reasons'. People can use historical searches and see the prices and tiers to reflect this.

The only observation that makes it less pathetic is the ultra price drops we seen like after the 3090Ti launched and the market said nope. Instantly a 40% price drop occured showing you the real msrp for UK.

The only time the cohort I mentioned will be interested in the 4080/7900 cards is when they get to where the prices are for the 3080/6900 sit now. i.e. £600-800.

 

[Joxeon]

With RDNA 2 we could see their confidence as they outright compared the 6900XT with the 3090 in a much wider variety of games. This time it's smokes and mirrors with some numbers showing FSR, some without it etc.

Not sure where the part of us wanting AMD to fail comes from. They need to catch up with Nvidia on the feature set atleast with the halo card

The 3080 cost $700 back then though so it wasn't like they were going to compare a $999 6900XT to that, with the new 4080 coming in $200 higher than the 7900XTX then it makes sense comparing it to that card but it's not out yet so benchmarks are not available.

 

[Hotwired]

It looks scuffed because they don't have the card they wanted to compare to.

It's beyond doubt that it walks all over the 4080 but how can they say that without fantasy numbers or picking the 4090 and being forced into "its better value" sales pitch which has downsides.

Run it back again and imagine they have the 4080 and they can have a straight presentation saying it beats it at everything including price. But they didn't and they had to do the presentation anyway.

 

[Frenzy]

It looks scuffed because they don't have the card they wanted to compare to.

It's beyond doubt that it walks all over the 4080 but how can they say that without fantasy numbers or picking the 4090 and being forced into "its better value" sales pitch which has downsides.

Run it back again and imagine they have the 4080 and they can have a straight presentation saying it beats it at everything including price. But they didn't and they had to do the presentation anyway.

Yeah, this is how I feel. Looking at the information so far it should be close to 4090 but why haven't they marketed that fact? If only to shift Christmas sales to themselves.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Yeah, this is how I feel. Looking at the information so far it should be close to 4090 but why haven't they marketed that fact? If only to shift Christmas sales to themselves.

If they started talking about competing with the 4090 and when reviews hit, people weren't happy with how close it was then it would be marketing suicide. A lot of people are already writing it off entirely based on theoretical RT performance.

Imagine the graphs showing it 10% behind the 4090 in reviews if they used it as a comparison. Nvidia fans would have a field day regardless of any other metric.