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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

I wonder if AMD's plan was always to hold off coming to market for that long so they can wait until the 4080 releases. Once they know where they stand, they can tweak the drivers etc. Hoping there is plenty OC headroom in the 7900 GPUs which I'm sure we'll see in custom boards. Imagine a Toxic edition water cooled!
 
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Grimfusion said:
I wonder if AMD's plan was always to hold off coming to market for that long so they can wait until the 4080 releases. Once they know where they stand, they can tweak the drivers etc. Hoping there is plenty OC headroom in the 7900 GPUs which I'm sure we'll see in custom boards. Imagine a Toxic edition water cooled!
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Doubt it, their last high end launch for rdna2 was also a November\December timeframe. 6800 in November and 6900 December.
 
Grimfusion said:
I wonder if AMD's plan was always to hold off coming to market for that long so they can wait until the 4080 releases. Once they know where they stand, they can tweak the drivers etc. Hoping there is plenty OC headroom in the 7900 GPUs which I'm sure we'll see in custom boards. Imagine a Toxic edition water cooled!
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The thing is these are planned years in advance.

Normally 4080 series cards are only 20% or so slower than the 4090 cards, so AMD aiming to be better than the 4080 makes sense not quite 4090 level but close enough to be between the expected 4080 specs and the 4090, this would match up with AMDs claims 1.5 - 1.7x performance would put it around 10-20% slower than the 4090 roughtly where the 4080 should sit, this would also match AMD's price, $200 cheaper than the 4080 for roughly the same performance or better (less the obvious weaker RT performance). The problem is Nvidia royally scewed themselves over by having the 4080 60% of the 4090 rather than the usual 80% based on past releases, AMD likely expected the 4080 to be 80% of the 4090 spec thus aimed for that mark, the problem is Nvidia gambled their hand and lost, this makes the 4080 way less valuable than the AMD competition.

Of course we will need to see the final reviews, but i do expect the 7900xtx to be comfortably better than the 4080 in normal performance, RT is up in the air, i think the 4080 will be roughtly 3090ti RT performance or a tad better but not by a significant margin.
 
kieran_read said:
RT is up in the air, i think the 4080 will be roughtly 3090ti RT performance or a tad better but not by a significant margin.
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I think this will be the usp. DLSS3 to make it able to actually pull away from a 3090Ti. The elephant in the room will be if nvidia keep locking everyone out from the proprietary features, even their own products pushing you can only use it on 40 series hardware (which has so far been inferred but they could change after under pressure from AMD and the mammoth amount of ampere units still being sold in 2022/23).
 
gpuerrilla said:
I think this will be the usp. DLSS3 to make it able to actually pull away from a 3090Ti. The elephant in the room will be if nvidia keep locking everyone out from the proprietary features, even their own products pushing you can only use it on 40 series hardware (which has so far been inferred but they could change after under pressure from AMD and the mammoth amount of ampere units still being sold in 2022/23).
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The question becomes, is if say the 4080 pulls 80fps on a game then 120fps with DLSS, is that better or worse than an AMD card that pulls 100fps without FSR?

A slower card to pull ahead using frame generation or a faster native card but slower when you factor in the lack of "fake frames"

Personally I would prefer the faster card as not all games will support DLSS.
 
Grim5 said:
RDNA2 announced on 28 October, first GPU available 18 November - 3 weeks

RDNA3 announced 3 November, first GPU available 13 December - 6 weeks
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And what happened on the last launch? They claimed the cards would be easy to get, that wasn't the case, so now they have a few more weeks of inventory ready for launch.
 
Gerard said:
And what happened on the last launch? They claimed the cards would be easy to get, that wasn't the case, so now they have a few more weeks of inventory ready for launch.
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Even though they've had years of planning...I really hope they do have a lot of stock because I have a feeling it's going to be in high demand and I want one at launch.
 
Tetras said:
Isn't that what OCUK have in their shop (MBA)?
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AMD contacted Gibbo to sell a job lot of these cards probably because they're EOL, they havn't done so again so that'll probably be the lot.

Grimfusion said:
I wonder if AMD's plan was always to hold off coming to market for that long so they can wait until the 4080 releases. Once they know where they stand, they can tweak the drivers etc. Hoping there is plenty OC headroom in the 7900 GPUs which I'm sure we'll see in custom boards. Imagine a Toxic edition water cooled!
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More likely Nvidia wanted to set out their stall in the market first with the 4090 and then stamp all over it like godzilla.
 
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kieran_read said:
The question becomes, is if say the 4080 pulls 80fps on a game then 120fps with DLSS, is that better or worse than an AMD card that pulls 100fps without FSR?

A slower card to pull ahead using frame generation or a faster native card but slower when you factor in the lack of "fake frames"

Personally I would prefer the faster card as not all games will support DLSS.
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I'd prefer the card that doesn't insert fake frames, inserting fake frames doesn't improve latency and when people want 100+fps it's usually because they are playing twitch shooters and want low latency, dlss3 and fsr3 are both gimmicks that have zero interest for me. TV's can already insert fake frames if you really want them, and it's rubbish there too.
 
Grimfusion said:
Hmmm...This is true. Scalping might still be an issue though this time.
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Scalping happens every single time. OCUK usually bans you off the forum if they can work out it's your listing on ebay.

But scalping like we saw before isn't possible, there was a shortage of ANY graphics cards back then and right now we can see a shipping container worth of gpus sitting at ocuk from last gen still unsold and with free gifts and minor reductions.

Scalping is the most obnoxious when there's a shortage not only of the target but all the alternatives and there are so many alternatives right now.
 
kieran_read said:
The thing is these are planned years in advance.

Normally 4080 series cards are only 20% or so slower than the 4090 cards, so AMD aiming to be better than the 4080 makes sense not quite 4090 level but close enough to be between the expected 4080 specs and the 4090, this would match up with AMDs claims 1.5 - 1.7x performance would put it around 10-20% slower than the 4090 roughtly where the 4080 should sit, this would also match AMD's price, $200 cheaper than the 4080 for roughly the same performance or better (less the obvious weaker RT performance). The problem is Nvidia royally scewed themselves over by having the 4080 60% of the 4090 rather than the usual 80% based on past releases, AMD likely expected the 4080 to be 80% of the 4090 spec thus aimed for that mark, the problem is Nvidia gambled their hand and lost, this makes the 4080 way less valuable than the AMD competition.

Of course we will need to see the final reviews, but i do expect the 7900xtx to be comfortably better than the 4080 in normal performance, RT is up in the air, i think the 4080 will be roughtly 3090ti RT performance or a tad better but not by a significant margin.
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The way the pricing currently is, the 4080 Ti will fit right between the 4090 and 4080 and will be closer to the 4090 than the 4080. It makes the 4080 pointless. Buying a 4080 is not a good move as it's so apparent they will be launching a far superior Ti for £100 more.
 
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