AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Quartz]

here in Denmark the price of the 4090 is around 18.000-20.000 DKK whereas if you go by MSRP without the insane tax we pay here, the price should have been around 11.000 DKK. Absolutely bonkers

DKK 11,000 - £1320 - is a wee bit optimistic, don't you think? You're in the EU, are you not? So what's stopping you from buying from more reasonably priced countries?

 

[Phixsator]

DKK 11,000 - £1320 - is a wee bit optimistic, don't you think? You're in the EU, are you not? So what's stopping you from buying from more reasonably priced countries?

read what I wrote again. Its msrp WITHOUT tax. 1500 dollars to DKK is 10795.50 directly.

EDIT: Nothing is preventing me from buying from another country. But i'm not buying even if the price was less idiotic.

 

[Besty]

I think you are right about them probably being aimed at the 4080 and 4090.

I am a little uncertain why NVIDIA went for such a high performance with the 4090. It seems too high, especially when you consider that the reset of the PC can't really keep up. It also highlights just what poor value the 4080 is. Even AMD seem to be in a mess though because the $900 and $1000 prices seem just too close together. Anyone with enough to afford a 4080 would surely go for a 4090, and anyone with enough for a 7900xt would surely go for the 7900xtx. It's all a bit odd.

Anyway, I am still following "plan B" which is to snub NVIDIA and get a 7900xtx. Just waiting for the reviews to see if it's a worthwhile move.

Yields for 5nm being really good, probably is a factor. AMD/Nvidia are able to pump out more 7900XTX and 4090 class chips than they expected.

 

[Trypta]

Under £1200 for a good AIB 7900XTX and it's an instabuy from me.
I've been reading and some people believe AMD have sandbagged their clockspeeds to give AIBs a chance to stretch their legs make OC models with larger margins, and then I'm also hearing that OC'ing to 450w TDP only gives a 5% performance increase.
I'll be curious to see if AIBs are worth it outside the different cooler designs.

 

[SpudMaster]

I think you are right about them probably being aimed at the 4080 and 4090.

I am a little uncertain why NVIDIA went for such a high performance with the 4090.

Well all these estimated benchmarks that people like LLT have been doing based on AMDs performances increases have been putting the 7900XTX 5-20% behind the 4090 in raster. Going off videos by Derbauer you can under clock the 4090 so it uses around 350w and only lose around 10% performance. I'd be willing to bet that Nvidia caught wind of 7900XTX performance and decided to go balls to the wall on power draw to ensure the 4090 always stays ahead in raster.
That hefty price tag would look even worse if it was trading blows with the 7900XTX.

 

[Joxeon]

What have AMD said about the 7800XT so far?

Nothing yet but what they are doing is reacting to Nvidias shenanigans and using it as an opportunity to swap around SKUs for extra profits, the 7900XT has become the XTX and the 7800XT has become the 7900XT with a $250 price increase and that'll mean the 7700XT will now become the 7800XT with atleast an increase of $170.

Basically thanks to nvidia we are all going to get less performance at the mid range than we should for our money no matter which colour you go with.

 

[Calin Banc]

Nothing yet but what they are doing is reacting to Nvidias shenanigans and using it as an opportunity to swap around SKUs for extra profits, the 7900XT has become the XTX and the 7800XT has become the 7900XT with a $250 price increase and that'll mean the 7700XT will now become the 7800XT with atleast an increase of $170.

Basically thanks to nvidia we are all going to get less performance at the mid range than we should for our money no matter which colour you go with.

Thanks to nVIDIA and AMD. There's no excuse for them to do the same other than greed.

 

[Trypta]

Thanks to nVIDIA and AMD. There's no excuse for them to do the same other than greed.

Yes, greed but also weird quirks in human psychology. It's marketing, lots of people bought the 6900xt although the 6800xt would have been a nearly identical experience without eyeballing fps counters.
All brands are trying to label their mid-range skus with the old high end labels and throw in extra numbers at the top end. Rtx 80>90 cards, Intel i7>i9 etc. But sadly it works and its why they do it, consumers are guilty too for letting it work.

 

[ICDP]

Thanks to nVIDIA’s and AMD. There's no excuse for them to do the same other than greed and the constant joy of Nvidia fans to be dry humped by Jensen and ignore AMD “cus reasons”. There is no incentive for AMD to price significantly cheaper.

Fixed that for you.

AMD have priced a lot lower for similar or better performance for years. Not at the top end but mid range where they give generally better price/perf. Yet still lost market share because people just kept rewarding NVIDIA’s for treating them like ****.

 

[KompuKare]

I am a little uncertain why NVIDIA went for such a high performance with the 4090.

It is a bit of mystery mostly because of what comes next gen.

Not such a big problem this generation, what what about the next one?

Samsung's 8nm to TSMC's 5/4nm was a very huge jump, and then Nvidia stayed with their huge 600mm² die.

For Nvidia's generation after Ada, chances are those too well be on the same node. Unless Nvidia are willing to reach very deep into their pockets and cough up for TSMC's 3nm node. So if their next gen is still on the same node, and since they are already at 600mm², it's hard to say what any 5090 would look like.

 

[kieran_read]

NVIDIA Frame Generation Tech Benchmarked With XeSS and AMD FSR Pipelines

An article published by Igor's Lab confirms that NVIDIA's Frame Generation technology is applied at the tail end of the frame processing pipeline and perfectly compatible with FSR 2.0 and Intel XeSS AI Up-scaling pipelines. While there isn't any real advantage to doing this, it didn't stop Igor...

wccftech.com

DLSS/FSR comparison there, turns out DLSS isn't that much of a leap as people are making out as an exlusive selling point doesn't look worth it over FSR, I do wonder how FSR3 would change the results.

 

[HangTime]

I think you are right about them probably being aimed at the 4080 and 4090.

I am a little uncertain why NVIDIA went for such a high performance with the 4090. It seems too high, especially when you consider that the reset of the PC can't really keep up. It also highlights just what poor value the 4080 is. Even AMD seem to be in a mess though because the $900 and $1000 prices seem just too close together. Anyone with enough to afford a 4080 would surely go for a 4090, and anyone with enough for a 7900xt would surely go for the 7900xtx. It's all a bit odd.

Anyway, I am still following "plan B" which is to snub NVIDIA and get a 7900xtx. Just waiting for the reviews to see if it's a worthwhile move.

It's a way of shifting more of the higher end product, you release two with close pricing but the more expensive one is materially better than than the cheap one. If they priced the 7900XT at $750 they would have harmed sales of the XTX.

 

[Freddie1980]

NVIDIA Frame Generation Tech Benchmarked With XeSS and AMD FSR Pipelines

An article published by Igor's Lab confirms that NVIDIA's Frame Generation technology is applied at the tail end of the frame processing pipeline and perfectly compatible with FSR 2.0 and Intel XeSS AI Up-scaling pipelines. While there isn't any real advantage to doing this, it didn't stop Igor...

wccftech.com

DLSS/FSR comparison there, turns out DLSS isn't that much of a leap as people are making out as an exlusive selling point doesn't look worth it over FSR, I do wonder how FSR3 would change the results.

I have to say DLSS whilst an excellent and cleaver piece of tech I'm not sold with the value it brings over other techs given your giving up valuable die space for tensor cores which could be given over for additional RT or traditional raster hardware.

 

[Phixsator]

Seems to me that AMD has actually moved their products up a tier. There seems to me(maybe i'm wrong?) to be room above the 7900XTX and looking at the XTX and the XT it looks an aweful lot like what they did with the 6800XT/non XT. But one may ask why they don't just kill off the 4090 if they infact do have access to performance that could do that? Well I think power requirements have a lot to do with that. Just look at all the jokes and memes flying around Nvidia's 4090 right now regarding power and size. No doubt the 4090 has a ton of performance in it, but it doesn't help it much in these expensive times. Also even if AMD released a 4090 killer tomorrow It would have to be 15-20% faster than the 4090 consistently and they still would loose in RT so it wouldn't really sway the diehards in the end anyway, so not worth the trouble, hassle, memes that would follow. It would also only legitimise nvidias power requirements instead of putting a spotlight on it. My theory for the moment at least

 

[Hotwired]

Seems to me that AMD has actually moved their products up a tier. There seems to me(maybe i'm wrong?) to be room above the 7900XTX and looking at the XTX and the XT it looks an aweful lot like what they did with the 6800XT/non XT. But one may ask why they don't just kill off the 4090 if they infact do have access to performance that could do that? Well I think power requirements have a lot to do with that. Just look at all the jokes and memes flying around Nvidia's 4090 right now regarding power and size. No doubt the 4090 has a ton of performance in it, but it doesn't help it much in these expensive times. Also even if AMD released a 4090 killer tomorrow It would have to be 15-20% faster than the 4090 consistently and they still would loose in RT so it wouldn't really sway the diehards in the end anyway, so not worth the trouble, hassle, memes that would follow. It would also only legitimise nvidias power requirements instead of putting a spotlight on it. My theory for the moment at least

We'll see what 3rd party are able to do.

AMD seems very proud of the flexibility they've given their Epyc cpus so their partners can tweak for exactly what they need or specialise in selling on.

The flexibility I can imagine they could have for the gpu partners is to be extremely conservative so the partners have some room to go wild if they want after the enforced sell only stock model period.

This would make the partners happy by letting them add value over the basic model and lets AMD off the hook for outrageous power draw if that's what happens since it will be an overclock.

 

[Cooper]

Kwasi knocked 400billion off pensions funds.

He didn't do anything...the faceless, uncountable parasitic scum in the financial markets, who think they can dictate a country's politics, did.

You're getting angry at the wrong person for the wrong reasons.

 

[BS Dave]

it's the wrong thread for this. I didn't realise how old the original comment was. Let's just leave it

 

[ICDP]

The reason GPU prices are so high is massively down to Nvidia, because Nvidia have market and mindshare and dictate pricing. AMD do not set the pricing because they do not have the marketshare or the mindshare in the GPU market. Nvidia have decided that Nvidia owners at 3080 and below level have no upgrade path for the same price point. If the 4080 has practically doubled in price, what do you think will happen down the stack? Not to mention they are still trying to shift their old 30x0 stock at over MSRP.

At least AMD have come in at 6900XT release MSRP (still overpriced IMHO), in contrast the 4090 went up $100 compared to the 3090 MSRP. I do still think the 7900XTX was meant to be the 7900XT at $1000 MSRP and that the 7900XT was meant to be the 6800XT at $750 - $800. So AMD have been given this opportunity 100% down to Nvidia's joke pricing on the 3080 to 4080 ($699 to $1199).

So here I am hoping AMD might offer the 7800 7800XT at $750 with about 40% faster performance and similar, or slightly better RT than my 3080FE. Nvidia on the other hand wanted me to buy the now "unlaunched" 4080 12GB, with 10% better performance and for $899. At least the 7900XT at $899 would have offered a very tangible 60% uplift for that price.

So apologies if I am not buying the "AMD are just as bad BS".

 

[arknor]

AMD set their own prices.... nothing to do with NVIDIA.

looks at cpus AMD got the GREED as soon as they thought they had caught intel

 

[Joxeon]

So here I am hoping AMD might offer the 7800 7800XT at $750 with about 40% faster performance and similar, or slightly better RT than my 3080FE. Nvidia on the other hand wanted me to buy the now "unlaunched" 4080 12GB, with 10% better performance and for $899. At least the 7900XT at $899 would have offered a very tangible 60% uplift for that price.

I think the 7800XT will only be 25-30% faster than a 3080 if it's a 60 CU card as the leaks suggest, a bit better than the 4080 12gb but not sure it'll be enough to upgrade from a 3080 especially if it comes in above £650.

A 50% upgrade at the same price is really what I'd be looking for which I think the 7900XT would have delivered but at almost 50% more cost I'm not sure it's worth it especially as RT is not really going to be much better.