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The flawed logic Shaz12 is using is that a 4080TI will slot in between the 4080 and 4090 and cost what the 4080 does now. That would require that Nvidia are going to make a serious price cut on the 4080. Nvidia will not and cannot do this for multiple reasons.

They would look bad having to price cut a GPU before it was released.

They would **** off a lot of 4090 owners and cannibalise sales from the 4090. How many times have you read that the 4080s were poor value and if you are planning to spend that much, you may as well just go for the far faster 4090. How many 4090 owners would have saved $500 and went for the GPU that was only 15% slower?

They would utterly destroy the sales of the 4080 that would look utterly underwhelming and overpriced.

Having said that it is Nvidia and their arrogance and **** takery knows no bounds
 
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ICDP said:
Nvidia will not and cannot do this for multiple reasons.
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Just to extend on this.. they also seem to have problems dropping prices when they have larped on about component costs and moore's law being long dead yadda. Not to mention the baked in price of the FE listings. Until the surplus of ampere are depleted then this wont even be a consideration.

The last time I saw an nvidia price drop due to trying to undercut AMD's release was back when the 5600XT was out and all of a sudden.. as if by magic.. they could somehow drop the price of their 2060's!! AMD countered by boosting the clocks.

85256638 said:
what would the retail price be in the UK for RX 7900XT and XTX?
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About £1050 and £1150.
 
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Sargatanas2511 said:
The 6900XT was never 10% slower than the 3090, and even then it still got slated and people bought the 3090 anyway.

I am referring to independent benchmarks though, the ones that come out on release. If AMD said "Look we compete with the 3090 for $999" and then reviews showed otherwise it would be a marketing disaster.
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Thats exactly what happened with 6900XT. It was claimed to be faster than 3090 in their marketing but it was ~10% slower in independent benchmarks. See the techpowerup review of the 6900xt at 4K.
 
ICDP said:
The flawed logic Shaz12 is using is that a 4080TI will slot in between the 4080 and 4090 and cost what the 4080 does now. That would require that Nvidia are going to make a serious price cut on the 4080. Nvidia will not and cannot do this for multiple reasons.

They would look bad having to price cut a GPU before it was released.

They would **** off a lot of 4090 owners and cannibalise sales from the 4090. How many times have you read that the 4080s were poor value and if you are planning to spend that much, you may as well just go for the far faster 4090. How many 4090 owners would have saved $500 and went for the GPU that was only 15% slower?

They would utterly destroy the sales of the 4080 that would look utterly underwhelming and overpriced.

Having said that it is Nvidia and their arrogance and **** takery knows no bounds
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They are compelled to do it. It’s a virtual certainty. They cannot drop prices on the 4080 without looking bad and the 4080 Ti can only occupy a limited price range between the 4080 and 4090.

I always saw the x90 tier as paying a premium to get the x80 Ti tier performance right out of the gate. Those who want a more reasonable price always wait for the x80 Ti which is still usually slightly slower than the x90. I doubt the 4090 owners care about the 4080 Ti. The 4090 will still be the faster card, can be boosted to 600W and have more VRAM. The sort of customer who buys the 4090 will swap it for 4090 Ti for a 10% performance gain.
 
Joxeon said:
It's not really a trap since we don't yet know when the 4080ti is coming or how much it'll cost. For all we know Nvidia could slot it in at $1400.
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Which would still make more sense than the 4080.
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All I know is that all this blurring and sharpening and image reconstruction is a funny way to get closer to "8k" gaming.
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The way I look at it is does it look better than the native resolution below it? If so great. With my 3080 Ti, I used to play games in DLSS performance which upscales from 1080p to 4K and it was blurry by 4K standards but it definitely looks leagues better than native 1440p.
 
Shaz12 said:
They are compelled to do it. It’s a virtual certainty. They cannot drop prices on the 4080 without looking bad and the 4080 Ti can only occupy a limited price range between the 4080 and 4090.
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You need to make your mind up because here you are very confidently saying Nvidia cannot drop prices on the 4080 which known to be $1199 MSRP.

Only a few days ago you were confidently saying the 4080Ti would be near the 7900XTX price point... which is $999 MSRP.

Shaz12 said:
It's virtually certain that Nvidia will come out with a 4080 Ti near the 7900XTX price point and performance, which many here say is value for money.
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So let me get your logic.
  1. You claim NVidia cannot drop the price of the 4080 from $1199 because they would look bad.
  2. You also assert that the 4080Ti can only occupy a limited price range between the $1199 4080 and the $1599 4090.
  3. You simultaneously claimed with virtual certainty, that NVidia will price the unannounced 4080Ti near the 7900XTX which is around $999.
So the 4080Ti will be faster and cheaper than the overpriced 4080, while also being only marginally slower than the significantly more expensive 4090... but cost around the same as an AMD 7900XTX, which is a lot cheaper than the 4080. Have I understood your logic correctly, or am I just imagining you are seriously contradicting yourself?
 
I honestly don't mind it and it is relevant because AMD 7900XT and XTX do not exist in a bubble. Well techincally they are in a price/perf bracket that has even Nvidia and Nvidia fans confused over Nvidia's price/perf/tiering.

:D
 
gpuerrilla said:
And another thread taken over by nvidia sku talk.. yawn. Leave it to the 4000 series thread?
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Schrödinger's 4080Ti.

This mythical GPU is on a higher price tier, yet both faster and cheaper than a $1200 4080, while being as fast and the same price as a $1000 7900XTX. The only place you will ever see this mythical beast even mentioned, is in an AMD GPU thread.

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

:D
 
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Shaz12 said:
Thats exactly what happened with 6900XT. It was claimed to be faster than 3090 in their marketing but it was ~10% slower in independent benchmarks. See the techpowerup review of the 6900xt at 4K.
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At 1080p it was faster by about 5% average across a wide range, at 1440p it was same and 4k about 5% slower as they showed and independant results like tomshardware and hardware unboxed.

Yes it depends on games of course but that is over a total of 40 different game titles so pretty solid showing.
 
Curlyriff said:
At 1080p it was faster by about 5% average across a wide range, at 1440p it was same and 4k about 5% slower as they showed and independant results like tomshardware and hardware unboxed.

Yes it depends on games of course but that is over a total of 40 different game titles so pretty solid showing.
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Yeah, why pick the resolution with the lowest uptake out of the 3. Perhaps because the 3090 did better at that one?!
 
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