AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Joxeon]

The recent screenshots AMD release does show the 7900xt should be a 7800xt imo the difference is far to large to be called a 7900imo.

While I love the look of the 7900xtx I have to be balanced in saying AMD have pulled a Nvidia 4080 12gb with the 7900xt

Will need to wait for reviews but so far AMDs 1st party results suggest that.

The 4080 12gb was really only a 4060ti for $900, atleast AMD are giving us a 7800XT for $900 and it should be on par with the 4080 16gb in raster, still disappointing though and an opportunity missed to really turn the screw.

All nvidia have to do is cut the 4080 16gb which has the same raster and better RT to $900 and the 7900XT is a dud without price cuts of its own.

 

[kieran_read]

I would say the 7900 XT raster results are right around where the 4080 16GB sits, if not slightly better. So if we compare price/perf against the 4080 16GB, the 7900 XTX and 7900 XT both look like great value as they are both considerably cheaper.

It's only when we consider the price/perf compared to the 6800 XT that AMD are exposed as taking the pee. Because right now the 7800 XT and the rebranded 4080 12GB will be in the same price/perf tier. Which for a 3080 and 6800 XT owner, looks like very poor upgrade path in both price and performance.

The issue you have though is the difference between both the 4090 and 4080 then the 7900xtx and 7900xt

While Nvidia have now changed the 12gb to a 4070 AMD still went ahead. While the performance isnt bad the performance difference is far to great.

I personally think the 7900xt should be called the 7800xtx and sit around the 800-850 mark. With the 7800xt being around 700-750.

I consider the 7900xtx to be good and I'll probably buy one but there will be a lot of people disappointed to buy a 7900xt expecting it to perform closer to the 7900xtx than it will. The core count is no different to the same thing Nvidia pulled with the 4080 12gb and 16gb.

I have to be fair and treat both companies the same, AMD done well with the 7900xtx but they did pull a dirty with the 7900xt it's a pointless card that should not exist in the bracket it's been put in.

 

[Grim5]

Pretty sure Lisa Su said that wasn't the case (being related).

This says they are related but it's not a direct relationship - Jensen's uncle is Lisa's grand father.

I can see there is a section on Lisa' Wikipedia page where she supposedly denies any relationship, but Wikipedia itself says the source for this claim is dubious and unreliable.

It's also interesting that both Jensen and Lisa were born in the same small area of Taiwan; not like they both came from the capital, they both come from an area in Taiwan that contains less than 10% of the population

Fact-Check: Is NVIDIA CEO an 'Uncle' of AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su?

As the Radeon RX 6800 XT goes head-to-head with GeForce RTX 3080, it's hard to believe that the leaders of these 2 companies are actually related!

www.techtimes.com

 

[ICDP]

The issue you have though is the difference between both the 4090 and 4080 then the 7900xtx and 7900xt

While Nvidia have now changed the 12gb to a 4070 AMD still went ahead. While the performance isnt bad the performance difference is far to great.

I personally think the 7900xt should be called the 7800xtx and sit around the 800-850 mark. With the 7800xt being around 700-750.

I consider the 7900xtx to be good and I'll probably buy one but there will be a lot of people disappointed to buy a 7900xt expecting it to perform closer to the 7900xtx than it will. The core count is no different to the same thing Nvidia pulled with the 4080 12gb and 16gb.

I have to be fair and treat both companies the same, AMD done well with the 7900xtx but they did pull a dirty with the 7900xt it's a pointless card that should not exist in the bracket it's been put in.

We are on the same page. 7900 XTX looks good compared to the 4080 16GB and 4090 and comes in at the 6900 XT MSRP. Though realistically all are overpriced.

The 7900 XT is what the 7800 XT should have been and needs to be $150 - $200 cheaper IMHO. It is a paradox card that makes no sense until you look at it as a 7800 XT.

 

[kieran_read]

The 4080 12gb was really only a 4060ti for $900, atleast AMD are giving us a 7800XT for $900 and it should be on par with the 4080 16gb in raster, still disappointing though and an opportunity missed to really turn the screw.

All nvidia have to do is cut the 4080 16gb which has the same raster and better RT to $900 and the 7900XT is a dud without price cuts of its own.

I get what your saying but that's the wrong way to think about it.

You can't say because Nvidia tried to charge a 4060ti at 4080 levels 2 tiers above but because AMD is only charging a 7800 at 7900 level then they're the good guys.

Both companies should be called out for this. Have to treat them the same or we only get what we as consumers deserve.

 

[Joxeon]

The issue you have though is the difference between both the 4090 and 4080 then the 7900xtx and 7900xt

While Nvidia have now changed the 12gb to a 4070 AMD still went ahead. While the performance isnt bad the performance difference is far to great.

I personally think the 7900xt should be called the 7800xtx and sit around the 800-850 mark. With the 7800xt being around 700-750.

I consider the 7900xtx to be good and I'll probably buy one but there will be a lot of people disappointed to buy a 7900xt expecting it to perform closer to the 7900xtx than it will. The core count is no different to the same thing Nvidia pulled with the 4080 12gb and 16gb.

I have to be fair and treat both companies the same, AMD done well with the 7900xtx but they did pull a dirty with the 7900xt it's a pointless card that should not exist in the bracket it's been put in.

For $700 which the 7900XT should have cost it would have been an excellent card that would have demolished the 4070ti by +30% in raster which will probably also cost $7-800, then a 60 CU 7700XT at $500 would match/beat the 4070ti by 5% and demolish the $500 4060ti in raster.

This generation could have really been a game changer AMD but other than being a bit cheaper than the 4080 they look like they're just content matching nvidia on price performance once again.

 

[Joxeon]

I get what your saying but that's the wrong way to think about it.

You can't say because Nvidia tried to charge a 4060ti at 4080 levels 2 tiers above but because AMD is only charging a 7800 at 7900 level then they're the good guys.

Both companies should be called out for this. Have to treat them the same or we only get what we as consumers deserve.

I certainly wouldn't call then the good guys, more so the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[Alt0153]

I certainly wouldn't call then the good guys, more so the lesser of 2 evils.

ah yes when they both want to **** you but one has the decency to use lube i guess everyone should just bend over and take it cause its the lesser of 2 evils

 

[timorous]

The statments are logocial conclusions based upon known data.

7900 XTX is ~ 55% faster than a 6950 XT from AMDs own marketing slides (reality maybe slightly slower). Considering it is the same MSRP, this is actually is "perceived" to be a good uplift in price/perf compared to the 4090.
7900 XT is ~ 30% faster than a 6950 XT. So the 7900 XT is 15% slower while only 10% cheaper and as such not the value proposition.

We can see that historically the 6800 was 15% < than a 6800 XT, which was ~15% < than a 6950 XT and apply the same logic. So logically the 7800 XT has to be a smilar 15% - 20% drop in performance from a 7900 XT.

Ergo the 7800 XT will be ~5% - 15% (at best) better than a 6950 XT in raster and RT. Or at best about 30% better than the 6800 XT it will be replacing.

Difference is the N32 + 16GB + 4MCDs has a far lower BOM cost than N31 + 20Gb + 5MCDs so AMD may prefer to sell more 7800XTs with N32 than 7900XTs with cut N31, especially if N31 yields are excellent and it would require using perfectly good XTX capable dies to meet demand. The way around this is to price the XT very close to the XTX to make the XTX more attractive and then have the 7800XT be better value as well. If AMD allow the 7900XT to overclock it might appeal to a more limited subset of DIYers who are happy to take a punt that they can overclock the card and make it high value than both but that will be a small niche making it low demand which could be what AMD want.

 

[ICDP]

Difference is the N32 + 16GB + 4MCDs has a far lower BOM cost than N31 + 20Gb + 5MCDs so AMD may prefer to sell more 7800XTs with N32 than 7900XTs with cut N31, especially if N31 yields are excellent and it would require using perfectly good XTX capable dies to meet demand. The way around this is to price the XT very close to the XTX to make the XTX more attractive and then have the 7800XT be better value as well. If AMD allow the 7900XT to overclock it might appeal to a more limited subset of DIYers who are happy to take a punt that they can overclock the card and make it high value than both but that will be a small niche making it low demand which could be what AMD want.

For that to work we need to see the 7800 XT definitively beat the 6800 XT price/perf. So far all the indications are the 7800 XT will be at most 30% faster than a 6800 XT, for $699. Basically a ~20% increase in price/perf and for a so called generational jump, that is just slightly better than stagnation in my book.

 

[Besty]

In pure raster performance for a desktop card inside a big-tower case rig, sure you can argue a case for that against the 6800XT.

On the other hand, you can also argue that the 7800XT will be an amazing part for smaller builds, that everyman and his dog will be after.

A 7800XT mobile with a Ryzen 9 7845HX inside, an Alienware style laptop chassis, what a machine.

 

[eeii]

AMD have not sold their 'reference' cards to the UK since Brexit unless they now have a distribution partner in the UK as Nvidia does.

This is wrong. AMD sell their MBA cards through their AIBs in the UK. I know I bought one.

 

[hyperseven]

AMD haven't, but these:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-radeon-6950-xt-llmba-16gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-02q-am.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-02r-am.html

are, I believe, 'reference' cards. OC did have some other AIB branded "MBA" cards for a time over the last year or so as well.

Isn't that just old stock AMD are trying to offload they haven't been there since launch?

 

[hyperseven]

This is wrong. AMD sell their MBA cards through their AIBs in the UK. I know I bought one.

The actual AMD cards which were at RRP were only on their store if I recall at launch.

 

[Harlequin]

The actual AMD cards which were at RRP were only on their store if I recall at launch.

Nope i had a 6800 then a 6900XT, both Powercolor and both reference MBA cards, and both from OCUK.

 

[hyperseven]

Nope i had a 6800 then a 6900XT, both Powercolor and both reference MBA cards, and both from OCUK.

So not actual AMD branded which retained their launch price throughout and not sold to the UK then

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think anyone following the new releases will know by now how the land lies. How could we all possibly forget. None of them are your friend, and they are reaping profits 'manipulating' the markets where possible.

Luckily I, as with many others here already have a good card from last gen so the uptick is not so great and the price is certainly not anything to shout about. The difference to see plainly is AMD has pulled a fast one and charged £999 for a weaker card compared to nvidia trying it on with two cards - one of them has been unlaunched. The latter companies card is however double the price of its predecessor and the same will be for the rebadged 4070Ti. Excuses are not really a factor here.

 

[Harlequin]

So not actual AMD branded which retained their launch price throughout and not sold to the UK then

AMD have always sold the Made By AMD cards, and they are made by either Sapphire or Powercolor and have been for years. Nothing new (or rather, new to you). Its the reference design PCB and cooler.

 

[VersionMonkey]

Isn't that just old stock AMD are trying to offload they haven't been there since launch?

Those cards probably are, but being *50 cards, they would only have appeared relatively recently in any case.

As @Harlequin mentioned other MBA cards have been available; albeit intermittently.

The actual AMD cards which were at RRP were only on their store if I recall at launch.

The key bit there being "RRP" - as I understand it (and I'm going on comments read here in the past), the MBA cards are exactly the same as those on the AMD store, they just have an AIB's name on the outer box.

Under "normal" circumstances, I would hazard a guess, that the intention is that the AIB MBA cards will be sold at the release MSRP, but that will be subject to, erm, "market forces".

 

[EastCoastHandle]