AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Phixsator]

This smells like some sort of propaganda job when this sort of info is surfacing so close to the release date of the cards. Then add all the other things on top like who is posting it, credibility of said user, and so on.

Here is my personal theory of where the AMD reference 7900XTX will land, hardware bugs or not.
Raster: In the middle between x80 and x90 to upper 50% in some titles.
RT: Slightly slower than X80 in normal RT games and a fair bit slower in Nvidia "tessellation 2.0" sponsored games.

I don't have any sources, magic 8 balls or crystal balls to tell me the future, this is just my guess from what I've seen so fare. I can be way off. This is not to be used as buying advice

 

[Hotwired]

Very interesting, if true it means rdna3 is actually very power hungry and amd power limited it under its peak equilibrium just to say how efficient they are

Why are you framing a scenario of shipping an efficient gpu as a bad thing

People were posting pages and pages of blathering that they could nuke the power consumption of their new AMD cpus with somewhere between zero and not a lot of performance loss.

Surely the desired and highly welcome approach is to have a default of high efficiency and let the tinkerers double the power draw for marginal gains if they feel like it.

 

[harmattan]

7800xt neck and neck with 4080; 7800xtx 10% above 4080/15% below 4090:

First AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX/7900 XT 3DMark TimeSpy/FireStrike scores are in - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 7900 in 3DMark We now have the very first confirmed 3DMark results of AMD’s upcoming Radeon 7900 series. The RX 7900 series cards perform just as expected and akin to what we know from RDNA2 series. This means better 3DMark FireStrike performance, which is a DirectX11 benchmark...

videocardz.com

Not exactly representation of in game performance, but I'm betting close enough at stock speeds.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Great to see we have pro AMD posters who own 40 series cards and the ones that don't intend to own the brand being very active here!

 

[Grim5]

7800xt neck and neck with 4080; 7800xtx 10% above 4080/15% below 4090:

First AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX/7900 XT 3DMark TimeSpy/FireStrike scores are in - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 7900 in 3DMark We now have the very first confirmed 3DMark results of AMD’s upcoming Radeon 7900 series. The RX 7900 series cards perform just as expected and akin to what we know from RDNA2 series. This means better 3DMark FireStrike performance, which is a DirectX11 benchmark...

videocardz.com

Not exactly representation of in game performance, but I'm betting close enough at stock speeds.

Unless there is some details we don't know the numbers are disappointing, not because of any comparison to Nvidia but because the 7900xtx only looks 30% faster than the 6950xt - it's possible that the 6950xt simply over performs in 3D mark which we know already to be true so perhaps architecture changes in rdna3 brings down 3d mark apparent performance to normalise its scores and therefore its games can still be much faster than 3D make scores

 

[Nexus18]

Question is, IF the 7900xtx does in fact perform very similar to a 4080 in dx 11 and 12 raster, will the same people who slate(d) the 4080 a new one and then some for its poor performance to price also do the same for the 7900xtx

AMDs pr slides were very sketchy with the whole "up to" and using FSR but I'll be amazed if a 7900xtx isn't at least 15% ahead of a 4080 in raster games.

 

[ICDP]

Great to see we have pro AMD posters who own 40 series cards and the ones that don't intend to own the brand being very active here!

Yep an enigma wrapped in a mystery and shrouded in secrecy.

So over the past few pages we have learned… checks Nvidia propaganda for dummies notes

1. A GPU that is designed to be efficient is a bad thing unless it is an NVidia GPU.

2. In fact it’s now a “hardware flaw/bug” when the reference models are limited in power delivery to remain efficient and allow AIBs some overhead to push performance limits on custom cards… Unless it’s made by NVidia.

3. Videocardz is an accurate and viable source of data… but only if it shows AMD in a bad light.

4. When all else fails just mention “but moar RT”.

 

[Nexus18]

This smells like some sort of propaganda job when this sort of info is surfacing so close to the release date of the cards. Then add all the other things on top like who is posting it, credibility of said user, and so on.

Here is my personal theory of where the AMD reference 7900XTX will land, hardware bugs or not.
Raster: In the middle between x80 and x90 to upper 50% in some titles.
RT: Slightly slower than X80 in normal RT games and a fair bit slower in Nvidia "tessellation 2.0" sponsored games.

I don't have any sources, magic 8 balls or crystal balls to tell me the future, this is just my guess from what I've seen so fare. I can be way off. This is not to be used as buying advice

Well according to amds slides, a 7900xtx should be comfortably in between a 4080 and 4090 for raster, nipping at the 4090 heels as some have put it.... In RT, according to their slides, it performs the same as a 3090/ti RT level and that's in DL 2 and cp 2077.

 

[Grim5]

And no one noticed or is talking about the Blender performance, the leakers also released blender scores

In blender the 7900xtx scored 3.8k points while a 6950xt gets 2.2k, which is a 72% improvement

 

[Joxeon]

Question is, IF the 7900xtx does in fact perform very similar to a 4080 in dx 11 and 12 raster, will the same people who slate(d) the 4080 a new one and then some for its poor performance to price also do the same for the 7900xtx

AMDs pr slides were very sketchy with the whole "up to" and using FSR but I'll be amazed if a 7900xtx isn't at least 15% ahead of a 4080 in raster games.

I certainly will as 4080 performance shouldn't cost more than £700 and even that's generous considering nvidia is using a 70 class die on an empty board.

Also we would have gone back to Turing times where AMD could only match Nvidias 70 class albeit the 70 is rebranded 80 and now costs £1000+

 

[harmattan]

Great to see we have pro AMD posters who own 40 series cards and the ones that don't intend to own the brand being very active here!

Quite right. Because no one ever switches brands back and forth, often within the same generation (like I have for the past 30 years).

 

[TNA]

Yep an enigma wrapped in a mystery and shrouded in secrecy.

So over the past few pages we have learned… checks Nvidia propaganda for dummies notes

1. A GPU that is designed to be efficient is a bad thing unless it is an NVidia GPU.

2. In fact it’s now a “hardware flaw/bug” when the reference models are limited in power delivery to remain efficient and allow AIBs some overhead to push performance limits on custom cards… Unless it’s made by NVidia.

2. Videocardz is an accurate and viable source of data… but only if it shows AMD in a bad light.

3. When all else fails just mention “but moar RT”.

And soon we might learn people who laughed at the 4080 suddenly thinking these new cards are actually good

I just hope the gaming results are much better than those charts suggest, otherwise at £1000 and £1100 these will be a fail imo.

 

[Nexus18]

I certainly will as 4080 performance shouldn't cost more than £700 and even that's generous considering nvidia is using a 70 class die on an empty board.

Oh I know you will as you have no loyalty to brands, I'm referring to the usual suspects


4080 at 700/800 could be tempting but just doesn't feel a worthwhile jump over a 3080 especially when you see how far ahead a 4090 is.

Like I have always said, a 4080 AND 7900xtx at 1+k are both terrible value, if the 7900xtx does in fact perform similar to the 4080 in raster and we know the story with dlss and rt.... that won't make the 4080 any better value but it will certainly be a lot more attractive than a 7900xtx, essentially as people said with the 4080, "you would have to have your head examined to buy a 4080", same can be said if you go for a 7900xtx over a 4080, again, that is assuming that the leaks so far are true, for all we know, they could be complete bs.

 

[ICDP]

If a 7900 XT is 4080 raster performance for £250 - £300 less, then that would be a good result. RT at 3080 level would make it a decent GPU but still overpriced. Just not as overpriced as the 4080.

Both are decent GPUs in their own right, just need to be cheaper in the 7900 XT case. And a LOT cheaper in the 4080 case.

 

[ICDP]

Quite right. Because no one ever switches brands back and forth, often within the same generation (like I have for the past 30 years).

But they weren’t referring to people like you. It was aimed at those who would generally never consider AMD card, seemingly latching on to any rumours that cast AMD in a negative light.

 

[Joxeon]

Oh I know you will as you have no loyalty to brands, I'm referring to the usual suspects


4080 at 700/800 could be tempting but just doesn't feel a worthwhile jump over a 3080 especially when you see how far ahead a 4090 is.

Like I have always said, a 4080 AND 7900xtx at 1+k are both terrible value, if the 7900xtx does in fact perform similar to the 4080 in raster and we know the story with dlss and rt.... that won't make the 4080 any better value but it will certainly be a lot more attractive than a 7900xtx, essentially as people said with the 4080, "you would have to have your head examined to buy a 4080", same can be said if you go for a 7900xtx over a 4080, again, that is assuming that the leaks so far are true, for all we know, they could be complete bs.

AMDs pricing looks to me like a lack of ambition to compete. The only way it's going to work is if both cards are quite a bit faster than the 4080 as I doubt many would buy the 4080 even for £900 so what chance do AMD have with a 7900XT at this price that performs slower with less features and worse RT.

 

[Bonse]

If they are legit, those channels are just farming views, why would some random dude with no history be sent early releases of cards to a channel with under 100 subs?

It would be good if they do as it would nice to have some genuine competition

They have history, with the 4090, which was right. They have a few k subs generally.
But you're quite right, it's the internet.

 

[kieran_read]

And no one noticed or is talking about the Blender performance, the leakers also released blender scores

In blender the 7900xtx scored 3.8k points while a 6950xt gets 2.2k, which is a 72% improvement

AMD have always been crap compared to Nvidia in production that's not a surprise.

They could be 150% faster and Nvidia would still win.

Luckily I only care about gaming perf so that doesn't come into play in anyway whatsoever

 

[RavenXXX2]

Lets not normalize £1000 for not the top GPU. AMD and NVidia are taking the pee and it will show in their gaming financial results.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yep an enigma wrapped in a mystery and shrouded in secrecy.

So over the past few pages we have learned… checks Nvidia propaganda for dummies notes

Yep, even expected thumb ups from the usual brigade of counter posts! *yawn*

AMDs pricing looks to me like a lack of ambition to compete. The only way it's going to work is if both cards are quite a bit faster than the 4080 as I doubt many would buy the 4080 even for £900 so what chance do AMD have with a 7900XT at this price that performs slower with less features and worse RT.

This one is easy if you think about it, just wait for a price drop. Once the 6000 series stock clears which it appears to be almost there, then it will get realistic. Nobody should be jumping feet first into these cards particularly if they have a 3080+ already. Only the XTX and 4090 offer a good leap, so unless the price is right wait it out. Here's the rough MLID improvement chart - which IMO is rather coincidentally linear almost collaboration-esque!

Lets not normalize £1000 for not the top GPU. AMD and NVidia are taking the pee and it will show in their gaming financial results.

Correct, agree.