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[Joxeon]

Not to defend Nvidia but i don't understand this "normalise" argument....

The 1080ti was over £1000
The 2080ti was over £1000
The 3080ti was over £1000

I don't know the full figues for the 80 class no TI but i'm pretty sure back in 2017 there were periods where the 1080 were hitting close to 1k, the 2080 i'm pretty sure also had periods it was over 1k and the 3080 definatly did.

Ultimatly It's been over 1k for 3 generations you can call the MRSP what you want but if there's nothing available for MSRP then it's a pointless metric to go by all Nvidia have done is Scalp them themselves rather than have AIBs/Retailers scalp them.

I'm not defending the high prices.. but they've been this high for 4 generations.

The >>>>>>ONLY<<<<<<< thing that is different is the official MRSP, the price they are selling for on launch is about the same (even more so when adjusted for inflation)

This price is already normalised, it was normalised when 1080 buyers paid the money, then the 2080 paid it, and then the 3080 users paid even more than what the 4080 is available for now.

As I said in an earlier post though the 4080 this time around is only using a 70 class die and trails the 4090 by 35%, had nvidia used a 102 die and the performance difference was 10-15% like it was last gen then you could make the case for a +£1000 price point being reasonable.

 

[ICDP]

Anyone buying a 7900XT or whatever for a £1000 or the 4080 for £1200 is an idiot and ruining it for people who can't afford such stupid prices for cards..

I get your sentiment but it’s not about affordability, it’s about sheer greed from NVidia and to a lesser extent AMD. They both priced as if the chip shortages and crypto demand still existed.

This time around the only demand is from PC gamers and they just aren’t buying at these prices for 2nd and 3rd tier products. The fact the 4080 and to a lesser extent the 4090 are still available to purchase is proof of this.

Let’s see how the 7900 XT(X) release goes.

 

[ICDP]

Not to defend Nvidia but i don't understand this "normalise" argument....

The 1080ti was over £1000
The 2080ti was over £1000
The 3080ti was over £1000

I don't know the full figues for the 80 class no TI but i'm pretty sure back in 2017 there were periods where the 1080 were hitting close to 1k, the 2080 i'm pretty sure also had periods it was over 1k and the 3080 definatly did.

Ultimatly It's been over 1k for 3 generations you can call the MRSP what you want but if there's nothing available for MSRP then it's a pointless metric to go by all Nvidia have done is Scalp them themselves rather than have AIBs/Retailers scalp them.

I'm not defending the high prices.. but they've been this high for 4 generations.

The >>>>>>ONLY<<<<<<< thing that is different is the official MRSP, the price they are selling for on launch is about the same (even more so when adjusted for inflation)

This price is already normalised, it was normalised when 1080 buyers paid the money, then the 2080 paid it, and then the 3080 users paid even more than what the 4080 is available for now.

Your numbers are not accurate when we look at release MSRP. All the GPUs you listed were sub £1000 after adjusting for exchange rates and adding taxes.

1080Ti was $699 on release.
2080Ti was $999
3080Ti was $999 (3080 was the old 1080Ti price)

So NVidia already added $300 to MSRP for the exact same tier of Ti GPU. Now they are trying to normalise $1200 for the tier below this Ti level.

Please don’t fall into the trap of normalising these price increases, that is what NVidia and AMD are hoping for.

 

[Grim5]

The reference 7900xtx has appeared in France at on online retailers; price 1300 euro

 

[RavenXXX2]

The reference 7900xtx has appeared in France at on online retailers; price 1300 euro

Dodgy third party seller.

 

[kieran_read]

Your numbers are not accurate when we look at release MSRP. All the GPUs you listed were sub £1000 after adjusting for exchange rates and adding taxes.
1080Ti was $699 on release.
2080Ti was $999
3080Ti was $999 (3080 was the old 1080Ti price)

So NVidia already added $300 to MSRP for the exact same tier of Ti GPU. Now they are trying to normalise $1200 for the tier below this Ti level.

Please don’t fall into the trap of normalising these price increases, that is what NVidia and AMD are hoping for.

You are looking at MSRPS and NOT at what they sold for.

The 1080ti sold for well over £1000 I know... i bought one, i got a great deal on mine for £750 2 years after it was originally released. Thats 2 years after they launched they were only then coming back down around the MRSP level.

MSRPs are pointless if you can't buy them for that price.

Note that i'm not suporting them or those prices i'm just saying that's what they have been and those prices on 10 series and 30 series were both due to a mining boom on both occasions. But they WERE selling for over £1000 that's just reality.

You can't say just because the MRSP was $699 that's what they sold for end of story, because they just didn't, i was there at the time buying one I know what they were selling for on OCUK and other websites and for years they were not selling for MRSPs.

On the basis I paid £750 for a GPU 6 years ago i'm more than comfortable buying my next one for around £1000, a £250 increase over 8 years, with the way the world economy is i'm comfortable paying that it's not "normalising" prices it's accepting that inflation exists.

People do the same with games, people think a game should stay at $60 games have been $60 since 1992 and people now complain MS and Sony are charging $70 adjusted for inflation they would be over $120.

The reality is REGARDLESS of what the MRSP of the previous generations were they were all selling for well over the MRSP, saying the 3080MRSP was the 1080ti price of $699 is a load of crap and you know it, that card was selling for well over £1000 for it's entire run thanks to extreme demand and lack of supply and even now with the 4000 series being released The ONLY 3080 on OCUK right now is £900 (albiet out of stock atm).... that sure as hell isn't the old 1080ti price of $699 that's well over that price when you adjust for.

MRSPs don't matter if they are not selling for that price, i don't understand how that is that hard to grasp.

You can shout from the roofs about how the MRSP of the 3080 was $699 (£570)... tell me then, how the ENTIRE period of it's life when could I go and buy that for MRSP? Even now it's still listed at £900, over £300 above the MRSP.

Don't get me wrong the 4000 MRSPs are a joke, i agree, but so were the MRSPs for the 10, 20 and 30 series, because they were paper MRSPs that hardly ever exisited in the real world through their entire runs.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Reference Graphics Card Listed At Amazon France For 1319 Euros

AMD's Radeon RX 7900 XTX has been listed for a price of 1319 Euros at Amazon France which is around 40% more expensive than the MSRP.

wccftech.com

France has same VAT rate as UK so converted to GBP is £1134. About same price range as cheapest RTX 4080 cards.

 

[Putty]

Your numbers are not accurate when we look at release MSRP. All the GPUs you listed were sub £1000 after adjusting for exchange rates and adding taxes.

1080Ti was $699 on release.
2080Ti was $999
3080Ti was $999 (3080 was the old 1080Ti price)

So NVidia already added $300 to MSRP for the exact same tier of Ti GPU. Now they are trying to normalise $1200 for the tier below this Ti level.

Please don’t fall into the trap of normalising these price increases, that is what NVidia and AMD are hoping for.

Indeed £1000 isn't accurate at all, the 1080Ti was pretty much always close to MSRP at Overclockers, courtesy of Gibbo spanning from pre-orders to the 2000 series release:

** PRE-ORDER SPECIAL: GIGABYTE GTX 1080Ti OC BLACK ONLY £639 !! **

Hi there This is probably the lowest price we have done for a premium branded card with excellent warranty service. Even more so this card is designed by myself to be of all black design with absolutely no extras to hit as low of price as possible. Our margin is slim as such the price is...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** BLACK FRIDAY: NVIDIA GTX 1080Ti & MONITOR DEALS!! **

Hi there First of all, anyone expecting a crazy deal on 1080Ti, it is not happening I am afraid, the huge memory price increases have resulted in our cost on 1080Ti increasing generally by around $50 per card, so the real best I could achieve was to get 1080Ti back to around the launch pricing...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** VGA DEALIO TIME: 1080Ti @ £679 / 1080 @ £459 / 1070Ti @ £399 / 1060 6G @ £249

Hi there OK this is pretty much the first time in past 6 months plus where we've not only achieved MSRP but actually improved on them somewhat, its been hard to hit these price points as over the past week or so the pound weakening has made it very hard to hit these price points, as such were...

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** DESTINY 2 PC GAME INCLUDING BOTH EXPANSION PACKS WORTH £50 NOW FREE & RED HOT FRIDAY! **

Hi there A great offer from NVIDIA worth around £50, they are now giving Destiny 2 with both expansion packs FREE with qualifying VGA cards, this is important because anyone wanting to purchase expansion pack 3 when it is released needs to already own D2 and the two current expansion packs to...

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***** RED FRIDAY SALE (BLACK FRIDAY BUT EARLY!!) *****

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** LAST ROUND OF DEALS FROM NVIDIA - LAST CHANCE BUY ON 1080/1080Ti!! **

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£££ UK's CHEAPEST 1080TI & ITS A GOOD ONE, ALL BLACK, OVERCLOCKED, TRIPLE FAN & 3YR WARRANTY !!

Hi there Over a year ago I helped Gigabyte design a cleaner looking card, everyone loved the performance and cooler on their Gaming OC model but did not like the white shroud as 90% of end users in UK/Europe are typically running black themed systems or certainly along the lines of less is...

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[Phixsator]

You are looking at MSRPS and NOT at what they sold for.

The 1080ti sold for well over £1000 I know... i bought one, i got a great deal on mine for £750 2 years after it was originally released. Thats 2 years after they launched they were only then coming back down around the MRSP level.

MSRPs are pointless if you can't buy them for that price.

Note that i'm not suporting them or those prices i'm just saying that's what they have been and those prices on 10 series and 30 series were both due to a mining boom on both occasions. But they WERE selling for over £1000 that's just reality.

You can't say just because the MRSP was $699 that's what they sold for end of story, because they just didn't, i was there at the time buying one I know what they were selling for on OCUK and other websites and for years they were not selling for MRSPs.

On the basis I paid £750 for a GPU 6 years ago i'm more than comfortable buying my next one for around £1000, a £250 increase over 8 years, with the way the world economy is i'm comfortable paying that it's not "normalising" prices it's accepting that inflation exists.

People do the same with games, people think a game should stay at $60 games have been $60 since 1992 and people now complain MS and Sony are charging $70 adjusted for inflation they would be over $120.

The reality is REGARDLESS of what the MRSP of the previous generations were they were all selling for well over the MRSP, saying the 3080MRSP was the 1080ti price of $699 is a load of crap and you know it, that card was selling for well over £1000 for it's entire run thanks to extreme demand and lack of supply and even now with the 4000 series being released The ONLY 3080 on OCUK right now is £900 (albiet out of stock atm).... that sure as hell isn't the old 1080ti price of $699 that's well over that price when you adjust for.

MRSPs don't matter if they are not selling for that price, i don't understand how that is that hard to grasp.

You can shout from the roofs about how the MRSP of the 3080 was $699 (£570)... tell me then, how the ENTIRE period of it's life when could I go and buy that for MRSP? Even now it's still listed at £900, over £300 above the MRSP.

Don't get me wrong the 4000 MRSPs are a joke, i agree, but so were the MRSPs for the 10, 20 and 30 series, because they were paper MRSPs that hardly ever exisited in the real world through their entire runs.

I bought my 1080ti for around 5300 DKK not that long after it launched, thats about where the 6700XT has been at just before price drops and less than what the RTX 3070 I had costed back at release which was around 6200DKK.

 

[JediFragger]

Tell him Chris, do us a favour @JediFragger and don't ****ing bring up stuff from a million years ago.

He knows what I mean

It was a posting in a thread you donk not 'stuff'

He's spent a LOT of money in the past on kit so isn't really in a position to tell other people not to

 

[TheRealDeal]

I am myself in two minds about buying as it goes against my principles of supporting stupid prices. I can rest a bit easy though as i didn't buy at stupid Covid prices and even my Vega 64 was a good price when i bought. The thing with PC gaming in my mind is i want my PC to last so get top end and be done for many years. It's much easier these days as jumps in performance don't happen half as often compared to 10+ years ago. You never know a price war between Nvidia and AMD might happen before i buy in February along with the pound getting stronger. Can only dream

 

[Stu999]

Reviews on Monday?

 

[ICDP]

You are looking at MSRPS and NOT at what they sold for.

The 1080ti sold for well over £1000 I know... i bought one, i got a great deal on mine for £750 2 years after it was originally released. Thats 2 years after they launched they were only then coming back down around the MRSP level.

MSRPs are pointless if you can't buy them for that price.

Note that i'm not suporting them or those prices i'm just saying that's what they have been and those prices on 10 series and 30 series were both due to a mining boom on both occasions. But they WERE selling for over £1000 that's just reality.

You can't say just because the MRSP was $699 that's what they sold for end of story, because they just didn't, i was there at the time buying one I know what they were selling for on OCUK and other websites and for years they were not selling for MRSPs.

On the basis I paid £750 for a GPU 6 years ago i'm more than comfortable buying my next one for around £1000, a £250 increase over 8 years, with the way the world economy is i'm comfortable paying that it's not "normalising" prices it's accepting that inflation exists.

People do the same with games, people think a game should stay at $60 games have been $60 since 1992 and people now complain MS and Sony are charging $70 adjusted for inflation they would be over $120.

The reality is REGARDLESS of what the MRSP of the previous generations were they were all selling for well over the MRSP, saying the 3080MRSP was the 1080ti price of $699 is a load of crap and you know it, that card was selling for well over £1000 for it's entire run thanks to extreme demand and lack of supply and even now with the 4000 series being released The ONLY 3080 on OCUK right now is £900 (albiet out of stock atm).... that sure as hell isn't the old 1080ti price of $699 that's well over that price when you adjust for.

MRSPs don't matter if they are not selling for that price, i don't understand how that is that hard to grasp.

You can shout from the roofs about how the MRSP of the 3080 was $699 (£570)... tell me then, how the ENTIRE period of it's life when could I go and buy that for MRSP? Even now it's still listed at £900, over £300 above the MRSP.

Don't get me wrong the 4000 MRSPs are a joke, i agree, but so were the MRSPs for the 10, 20 and 30 series, because they were paper MRSPs that hardly ever exisited in the real world through their entire runs.

Please don't take this the wrong way, all I am trying to do is correct your error.

As posted above the 1080Ti could be got for ~£650. I didn't get one as I thought it was too expensive for what you got (oh for a Ti at those prices now )

The 2080Ti was just over £1k for basic models but shop around and they could be got for just under £1k, so I'll give you that.

I can at least console myself that not once did I pay those extortionate prices but here we are as many predicted, some of us convincing ourselves that £1k+ was always the price for these top tier GPUs.

 

[LtMatt]

Please don't take this the wrong way, all I am trying to do is correct your error.

As posted above the 1080Ti could be got for ~£650. I didn't get one as I thought it was too expensive for what you got (oh for a Ti at those prices now )

The 2080Ti was just over £1k for basic models but shop around and they could be got for just under £1k, so I'll give you that.

I can at least console myself that not once did I pay those extortionate prices but here we are as many predicted, some of us convincing ourselves that £1k+ was always the price for these top tier GPUs.

You quoted yourself there bud.

 

[ICDP]

You quoted yourself there bud.

Lol, so I did thanks having a senior moment... again. Corrected

 

[kieran_read]

Indeed £1000 isn't accurate at all, the 1080Ti was pretty much always close to MSRP at Overclockers, courtesy of Gibbo spanning from pre-orders to the 2000 series release:

** PRE-ORDER SPECIAL: GIGABYTE GTX 1080Ti OC BLACK ONLY £639 !! **

Hi there This is probably the lowest price we have done for a premium branded card with excellent warranty service. Even more so this card is designed by myself to be of all black design with absolutely no extras to hit as low of price as possible. Our margin is slim as such the price is...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** BLACK FRIDAY: NVIDIA GTX 1080Ti & MONITOR DEALS!! **

Hi there First of all, anyone expecting a crazy deal on 1080Ti, it is not happening I am afraid, the huge memory price increases have resulted in our cost on 1080Ti increasing generally by around $50 per card, so the real best I could achieve was to get 1080Ti back to around the launch pricing...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** VGA DEALIO TIME: 1080Ti @ £679 / 1080 @ £459 / 1070Ti @ £399 / 1060 6G @ £249

Hi there OK this is pretty much the first time in past 6 months plus where we've not only achieved MSRP but actually improved on them somewhat, its been hard to hit these price points as over the past week or so the pound weakening has made it very hard to hit these price points, as such were...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** DESTINY 2 PC GAME INCLUDING BOTH EXPANSION PACKS WORTH £50 NOW FREE & RED HOT FRIDAY! **

Hi there A great offer from NVIDIA worth around £50, they are now giving Destiny 2 with both expansion packs FREE with qualifying VGA cards, this is important because anyone wanting to purchase expansion pack 3 when it is released needs to already own D2 and the two current expansion packs to...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

***** RED FRIDAY SALE (BLACK FRIDAY BUT EARLY!!) *****

Hi there Well with a heatwave, world cup and no new product releases for a very long time OcUK decided to look at ways to motivate the market, as such we came up with the idea to do "RED HOT FRIDAY" or "RED HOT SALE" and as such we've been able to get support from manufacturers to create some...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

** LAST ROUND OF DEALS FROM NVIDIA - LAST CHANCE BUY ON 1080/1080Ti!! **

Hi there OK I've been a stubborn git for weeks with board partners pushing for a deal, then refusing it due to not been good enough and continuing to work them hard to try and get somewhere. Problem now is the huge supplies they had are essentially depleted and they are now building to...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

£££ UK's CHEAPEST 1080TI & ITS A GOOD ONE, ALL BLACK, OVERCLOCKED, TRIPLE FAN & 3YR WARRANTY !!

Hi there Over a year ago I helped Gigabyte design a cleaner looking card, everyone loved the performance and cooler on their Gaming OC model but did not like the white shroud as 90% of end users in UK/Europe are typically running black themed systems or certainly along the lines of less is...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

You are aware all those deals for the MRSP 1080ti are from Aug 2017?

The 1080ti launched in May 2016 so that's 15 months after launch we see Gibbo Posting about MRSP 1080ti' there's also people in those very threads asking about how come certain tis are still 1k. I wouldn't say that was always close i'd say that's around 40% of the time it was at MRSP considering the 2080ti was released in September 2018. So if we go by the first post being Aug 17, that's 15 months of overpriced 1080tis, then 13 months or MRSP 1080tis before the 2080ti launched.

And that's my point it's well after the launch we start to see cards around MRSP, the difference with the 4000 series is they just started the MRSP at those prices from the start rather than give a paper price that simply doesn't exist, after 1 year we may see the 4000 series start to come down to the previous gens MRSPs. You can't link me threads saying "here see?? do you see? MRSP cards 15months after launch" it's just a poor argument. 1080ti, cards came down to reasonable prices 15 months after they were released, 2000 series i didn't pay much attention to, but the 3000 series were well over MRSP throughout the entire cycle, and are still well over the MRSP today.

Ultimatly people are trying to nitpick at small areas when the overall point i'm trying to make is we have had a 1000+ GPU bracket for a long time now, years in fact and that's not going away.

Now i don't like it, why would I?
I also don't like paying £5 a day to heat my house or 34p per kWT hours for my electric bill but i still have to. I don't want to pay £1000 for a GPU but if i want that card i will have to.

This at the end of the day comes down to personal perspective, I paid £750 slightly above MRSP (considering the exchange rate back then it was probably comfortably above MRSP but to be expected for an AIB) AIB GPU 6 years ago that at the time was 2 years into the generation, for me to spend £1000 I don't think is now unreasonable considering I managed to skip 2 generations entirely. That's only a £250 difference which isn't so bad in my view. As someone with a 4k 144hz monitor I do actually need a new one, and i'm not going to spite myself from a new GPU just to appease other peoples views on how much something should cost. Don't get me wrong if i was playing at 1080p i'd in all honesty probably skip another generation or even 2, the 1080ti is still today an amazing 1080p card, but my needs have changed.

It's also worth noting that the 4090 price is actually more akin to the prices of the Titan GPUs from the 10 and 20 series, the 3090 can be argued that it was lowered in price from the 2 previous generations (well not like it ever sold for that price)

People have very fond memories of MRSP's of old, but very poor memories of how much those cards actually sold for on launch and throughout the first part of the cycle.

 

[stooeh]

You are aware all those deals for the MRSP 1080ti are from Aug 2017?

The 1080ti launched in May 2016 so that's 15 months after launch we see Gibbo Posting about MRSP 1080ti' there's also people in those very threads asking about how come certain tis are still 1k. I wouldn't say that was always close i'd say that's around 40% of the time it was at MRSP considering the 2080ti was released in September 2018. So if we go by the first post being Aug 17, that's 15 months of overpriced 1080tis, then 13 months or MRSP 1080tis before the 2080ti launched.

It launched in March 2017, so not that long away and you cannot really compare overpriced Strix cards to MSRP. Personally I ordered direct from nvidia on release for the 699.99

 

[kieran_read]

It launched in March 2017, so not that long away and you cannot really compare overpriced Strix cards to MSRP. Personally I ordered direct from nvidia on release for the 699.99

I was being a tit i google 1080 launch date not the TI.

Ill hang my head on that one! And ill conceed on the 10, series then, as i can't remember what the 1080 prices were for the first year as i was going by the 1080ti.

But going through those links it does look like the card i got was consistently priced as what i paid for it. Must have just been the first 4 or 5 months then that i was overpriced.
My argument stands for the 20 and 30 series though.

 

[Illuminist]

Are reviews on the 13th?

 

[wookiee87]

Are reviews on the 13th?

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