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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail - Go Go Go xD
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Same! I did have a tube of Thermal Grizzly but couldn't find it anywhere. Luckily I found a tube of Noctua NT-H1 that I didn't know I had buried in a drawer.
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That's it! Thanks.
Bet you be my luck to get a chip that can't do -30!
I was expecting the same as I couldn't do much with my 5900X (didn't have the patience to spend more time tweaking) but no sign of any instability having applied -30 all cores so far. Here's hoping you and others have the same luck!
Has anyone pushed below -30?
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What king of impact would an offset like that have over default?
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Lower temperatures are the main one, with the potential for slightly higher boost clocks.
In my case the temps under load dropped by 8-10°c in CineBench R23 and Spider-Man Remastered (from 70-73 to 60-73) and all cores now boost to 4450 under 100% load as a result of the lower temps (previously they started at 4375 and dropped to around 4325ish). Unlikely to see any real performance benefit, but the temperature drop is significant in my system.
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Well, mixed thoughts so far coming from 5600x (which undervolted to -30 too) and considering returning the 5800x3d tbh, benchmarks:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
When in the street levels, fps would be in 30/40s with the 5600x.
+ definite improvement in cpu limited games like spiderman
- performance is pretty similar on the whole, whilst in some cases, fps is in fact lower in the benchmarks, on the whole it does seem like in gameplay, 0.1 an 1 are slightly better
- it runs HOT! Using arctic 240mm freezer and thermal grizzly and even with -30, idle temp is like 45, game temps seem ok, doesn't look to go above 70 at very most
All in all, I don't think it is worth it if you already have a 5600x or you have a 4090 or will be getting 7900xtx
Arctic freezer does look rather nice:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
When in the street levels, fps would be in 30/40s with the 5600x.
+ definite improvement in cpu limited games like spiderman
- performance is pretty similar on the whole, whilst in some cases, fps is in fact lower in the benchmarks, on the whole it does seem like in gameplay, 0.1 an 1 are slightly better
- it runs HOT! Using arctic 240mm freezer and thermal grizzly and even with -30, idle temp is like 45, game temps seem ok, doesn't look to go above 70 at very most
All in all, I don't think it is worth it if you already have a 5600x or you have a 4090 or will be getting 7900xtx
Arctic freezer does look rather nice:
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I just installed mine. Nothing played yet. Reinstall windows etc... then download stuff form steam. Ran out of time tonight.
Anybody else not able to apply PBO2 on a Gigabyte X570 Gaming X. Upgraded from a 3700X to an 5800x3d yesterday and bios is now gimped. I understand these are locked chips but following the guides in reducing temps does nothing for me.
I'm thinking I'll just maybe keep it now as I will eventually pick up a better gpu (when/if prices drop.....) and can't see myself going new platform anytime soon until prices drop as well as both maturing a bit, also potentially future games where the benefit of the 5800x3d might show over 5600x.
Also thinking of doing a fresh install of windows just in case any issues which is holding back my performance.....
Also thinking of doing a fresh install of windows just in case any issues which is holding back my performance.....
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Might as well keep it. Its more future proof, you spent all that time to install it, plus you can sell the 5600x anyway.
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Theres nothing to change in the bios, im running a Gigabyte X570s Master and all the options for CPU have pretty much gone, however in the AMD CBS menu - XFR enhancement - just enable PBO, and make sure your LLC is on auto, setting this to anything other than auto I found had a big impact on clock speeds and temps, then just set your ram settings and forget the rest, in windows use PBO2 Tuner, I think everyone is just shooting for -30 on all cores, I know I did, could be bothered to test and tweak another chip, ive not had any issues with it at all, under heavy stress test im hitting 81oC 4.4ghz with PBO2 Tuner instead of 90oC 4.1ghhz-4.2ghz without PBO2 Tuner.
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@Nexus18 Thanks for the benchmarks. I think you've made my mind up and I'll just stick with the OG 5800X. I won't be changing my 3080 for a few years yet so no benefit really. When I do come to change it, I would imagine the 5800X/X3D will likely be pretty old hat by then anyway. Cheers.
Found this video which seems much simpler, however, appears the startup method doesn't work for me, even though it shows in startup programs. Anyone had similar issue?
Seen some say UAC stops it but mine is off.
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Well, mixed thoughts so far coming from 5600x (which undervolted to -30 too) and considering returning the 5800x3d tbh, benchmarks:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
When in the street levels, fps would be in 30/40s with the 5600x.
+ definite improvement in cpu limited games like spiderman
- performance is pretty similar on the whole, whilst in some cases, fps is in fact lower in the benchmarks, on the whole it does seem like in gameplay, 0.1 an 1 are slightly better
- it runs HOT! Using arctic 240mm freezer and thermal grizzly and even with -30, idle temp is like 45, game temps seem ok, doesn't look to go above 70 at very most
All in all, I don't think it is worth it if you already have a 5600x or you have a 4090 or will be getting 7900xtx
Arctic freezer does look rather nice:
I'm unsure why you're disappointed with those results? You've tested at normal settings and resolutions with the GPU being taxed, of course you're not going to witness the headline figures the reviewers have shown. A 4090 might do that for you. It's a future investment such that newer GPUs will shine for longer with it and you know that. You either invest in high end CPU performance to outlast several GPUs or hop along the mid-range CPUs as they come out.
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Agree.
I guess I was just expecting a bit more especially with dlss being used i.e. running at less than 1440 where cpu bottleneck will show more.
Will say though, definite improvement in bf 2042 with the mins, looks like still some nvidia driver overhead and/or cpu bottleneck too:
Temps seem pretty good on the whole tbf.
BTW, in the bios, is this right, the pump speed? I have seen some say there should be a pump speed/rpm showing too?
Have got fan curves all sorted via msi center now, much quieter on the whole.
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Thanks for posting benchmarks. I'm moving from a 3600x, so should see a nice uplift. Even if its not massive, the 1% lows should be better making for a smoother gaming experience.
As SilverCider mentioned, its a investment that will scale as you upgrade GPU's. 5800x3D and my 3070ti should suffice nicely for the next 2 years, a which point, I can drop in whatever GPU fits into my budget and have a CPU to feed it accordingly.
As SilverCider mentioned, its a investment that will scale as you upgrade GPU's. 5800x3D and my 3070ti should suffice nicely for the next 2 years, a which point, I can drop in whatever GPU fits into my budget and have a CPU to feed it accordingly.
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In terms of dropping this in. Just a case of updating my mobo (X570 Taichi) to the latest BIOS (5.00) and dropping it in. Nothing else to do initially?
Has anyone run a Taichi on 5.00? IS it OK?
Has anyone run a Taichi on 5.00? IS it OK?
I'm not surprised you're not seeing much of an improvement. You're running a high resolution and your GPU usage is already at 100%, plus the 5600x is already a very capable gaming CPU. Only at 1080p will you really see any meaningful uplift. At 1440p you may see some improvement in more CPU bound games, but at these high resolutions it's mostly down to your GPU. You may get some improvements to 1% lows, though.
I don't think that was ever going to be a worthwhile purchase in your situation.
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Well, mixed thoughts so far coming from 5600x (which undervolted to -30 too) and considering returning the 5800x3d tbh, benchmarks:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
5600x:
5800x3d:
When in the street levels, fps would be in 30/40s with the 5600x.
+ definite improvement in cpu limited games like spiderman
- performance is pretty similar on the whole, whilst in some cases, fps is in fact lower in the benchmarks, on the whole it does seem like in gameplay, 0.1 an 1 are slightly better
- it runs HOT! Using arctic 240mm freezer and thermal grizzly and even with -30, idle temp is like 45, game temps seem ok, doesn't look to go above 70 at very most
All in all, I don't think it is worth it if you already have a 5600x or you have a 4090 or will be getting 7900xtx
Arctic freezer does look rather nice:
You dont buy the 5800x3d to be good in benchmarks.
Its not that kind of CPU. I had the 5800x before me and this is slowerin benchmarks. Its in games that it actually makes a difference.BTW mine idles at 35c and its around 55c in games it only goes +70c in benchmarks eg Cinebench.
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