AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D retail processor has been tested ahead of launch

Ross Thomson · 20 Apr 2022 at 14:18

Toasty said:
Yeah that's kind of crazy when you think of it that way, its a fair bit better in games though.

only seen results with super high end cards that pretty much most people don't have. If you have one of those then fair play.

Iron Man · 20 Apr 2022 at 14:23

ChocAndGray said:
Why's that? Bios is generally pretty straight forward to update. Or is your board awkward?

I just remember I tried doing it a few years ago and I had quite a few problems as I tried updating the bios by the internet rather than through a usb drive and was just probably just unlucky. I just looked at a quick YouTube guide to refresh my memory and it’s seems straightforward enough so probably overthinking it.

ChocAndGray · 20 Apr 2022 at 14:24

Iron Man said:
I just remember I tried doing it a few years ago and I had quite a few problems as I tried updating the bios by the internet rather than through a usb drive and was just probably just unlucky. I just looked at a quick YouTube guide to refresh my memory and it’s seems straightforward enough so probably overthinking it.

Definitely don't do any online downloads, or use software to update the bios through Windows.

Old school way of downloading to USB is best in my opinion.

cliffy · 20 Apr 2022 at 14:28

Dave2150 said:
Most likely crippled with JEDEC DDR54 4800Mhz RAM (or DDR4) to make AMD look better, unless it's explicitly specified.

Come on Dave, unless you are getting paid for all the nonesense is it not time to stop now

Robert896r1 · 20 Apr 2022 at 14:28

That's so badass! The number you want to pay attention to is the "CPU Game Average." That's what should be compared not the overall average when using SOTTR as a CPU bench test.

Random Guy Esq. · 20 Apr 2022 at 15:40

Not available to customers outside the UK.

Deluxe1 · 20 Apr 2022 at 16:21

When are they released?

humbug · 20 Apr 2022 at 16:26

Deluxe1 said:
When are they released?

They already are.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3d0-am.html

Harlequin · 20 Apr 2022 at 16:53

Dave2150 said:
Most likely crippled with JEDEC DDR54 4800Mhz RAM (or DDR4) to make AMD look better, unless it's explicitly specified.

Theres quite an easy way to prove it - thats by actually watching the review - since they list every single part used in both systems.

TL

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NO, they use the fastest DDR5 - 6400 the system supports, and is £500 worth.

humbug · 20 Apr 2022 at 16:56

Harlequin said:
Theres quite an easy way to prove it - thats by actually watching the review - since they list every single part used in both systems.

TLR

NO, they use the fastest DDR5 - 6400 the system supports, and is £500 worth.

Robert Hallock talked about how due to their technology advances they have many leavers they can pull to keep competitive.

Yeah well they pulled a leaver....

Troezar · 20 Apr 2022 at 18:29

ChocAndGray said:
Definitely don't do any online downloads, or use software to update the bios through Windows.

Old school way of downloading to USB is best in my opinion.

100% this. On the MSI forums they stress this despite having other tools. Hard to go wrong with a USB.

LtMatt · 20 Apr 2022 at 18:39

humbug said:
Robert Hallock talked about how due to their technology advances they have many leavers they can pull to keep competitive.

Yeah well they pulled a leaver....

https://youtu.be/BINipofzYhg?t=36

Vulture · 20 Apr 2022 at 19:32

LtMatt said:
https://youtu.be/BINipofzYhg?t=36

In the short, big/little is crap, in theory it should have way better efficiency, but in the practice big/little doesn't work that way, it only supplements MT workloads. It would be better to have fewer big cores than combination of big/little because big cores if tuned correctly are very efficient in light workload, and also less latency which benefits games, not to mention how easier is to optimise software for all same cores design. I say from the beginning that big/little should be erased from the desktop PC. 3D stacking cores isn't far away, and as soon they start using it, no one would need to create small cores.

Minstadave · 20 Apr 2022 at 19:33

Gondar said:
In the short, big/little is crap, in theory it should have way better efficiency, but in the practice big/little doesn't work that way, it only supplements MT workloads. It would be better to have fewer big cores than combination of big/little because big cores if tuned correctly are very efficient in light workload, and also less latency which benefits games, not to mention how easier is to optimise software for all same cores design. I say from the beginning that big/little should be erased from the desktop PC. 3D stacking cores isn't far away, and as soon they start using it, no one would need to create small cores.

Intels BIG.little is junk. Its just a sticking plaster for their power issues.

Vulture · 20 Apr 2022 at 19:34

Minstadave said:
Intels BIG.little is junk. Its just a sticking plaster for their power issues.

Fact, it only complicated things, they use big/little not because it is superior, but because they don't have ready chiplet design which will allow them to pack much more big cores, and chiplet design with 3d stacking cores that i mention before is the future and will allow them to put as many cores as they wan't, so Intel will forget those big/little horror.

Troezar · 20 Apr 2022 at 19:37

Minstadave said:
Intels BIG.little is junk. Its just a sticking plaster for their power issues.

Bingo, and their power issues are a result of lacking in other departments, increasing frequency and power draw to compensate. They are still a good few generations away from competing in all areas with AMD.

humbug · 21 Apr 2022 at 14:45

LtMatt said:
https://youtu.be/BINipofzYhg?t=36

Thank's, i'll watch the whole thing later.

JediFragger · 21 Apr 2022 at 14:48

LtMatt said:
https://youtu.be/BINipofzYhg?t=36

Hallocks!!

ltron · 21 Apr 2022 at 14:56

Gondar said:
In the short, big/little is crap, in theory it should have way better efficiency, but in the practice big/little doesn't work that way, it only supplements MT workloads. It would be better to have fewer big cores than combination of big/little because big cores if tuned correctly are very efficient in light workload, and also less latency which benefits games, not to mention how easier is to optimise software for all same cores design. I say from the beginning that big/little should be erased from the desktop PC. 3D stacking cores isn't far away, and as soon they start using it, no one would need to create small cores.

Some rumours suggest (pinch of salt) AMD will be doing their own version of Big.Little with Zen 5 although different to Intel's approach and the little cores will still be strong.

Vulture · 21 Apr 2022 at 16:35

ltron said:
Some rumours suggest (pinch of salt) AMD will be doing their own version of Big.Little with Zen 5 although different to Intel's approach and the little cores will still be strong.

They don't need big/little design that Intel use, that's the whole advantage of using chiplets, putting more cores while retaining good yield.