AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[im4gine3]

I might be wrong, but that sounds like an Asus thing to me, is it an ASUs board?

I Refuse to buy Asus boards now, for this very reason.

no.. mines MSI this time. Spec in signature

 

[Storrm]

I signed up for stock information alerts on the 9800X3D. Is there any way I can opt-out until the price is back to normal? Not interested in buying it at the jacked-up price

 

[Mike25]

I signed up for stock information alerts on the 9800X3D. Is there any way I can opt-out until the price is back to normal? Not interested in buying it at the jacked-up price

In your profile there should be a tab called stock notifications where you can turn it off.
Don't think there's a price tracking alert.

 

[Storrm]

In your profile there should be a tab called stock notifications where you can turn it off.
Don't think there's a price tracking alert.

Thanks Mike

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Bucket of cold water time.

The average gamer will not notice anything if they swapped between a 14900K and a 9800X3D.

Those are games configured as a cpu test and not games in a configuration likely for a £2000 gpu and a £500 cpu.

Behold:

12.6% difference at 720p Ultra
7.2% difference at 1080p Ultra
4.1% difference at 1440p Ultra
1.1% difference at 2160p Ultra aka 4K

Then there's work workloads, a 9800X3D does not beat a 14900K in most things.

Game benchmarks on low settings are simply a cpu test that favours 9800X3D. They absolutely do not mean you keep that performance advantage outside those settings.

9800x3d is a gaming cpu for productivity use you look elsewhere Steve even made that perfectly clear on the GN benchmarks never mind HUB no-one is suggesting otherwise. Intel fans fret ye not your 14900k's are safe for another day.

 

[Rusty0611]

Sounds like a classic case of PEBKAC my friend.

Do you ever hear from Gregster these days?

Normally the case

Nah haven’t heard from him in years when I dipped off the forums for a bit

 

[mmozzano]

Is it my imagination or do there seem to be an unusual number of people having problems with RAM and the 9800X3D??

I've had issues with mine. 9800x3d and 64Gb Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz CL30 (not on the with a cheap Asus B650 Tuf motherboard. Set it all up last week (just enabling EXPO but no CPU OC) and it was totally stable for nearly a week, no issues whatsoever. A few days ago the machine just started rebooting randomly after half hour or so and immediately if doing any sort of memory stress test. Everytime it rebooted the DRAM light on the mobo came on for a while and it looked like it was retraining the memory. I had upgraded from Win10 to Win11 a few weeks before changing the hardware over. After some support from awesome folk on here we suspected it could have been a Windows issue as ram testing and stability testing outside of Windows was fine. Did a full reinstall last night and everything currently looks stable so will see how it goes. Its probably my fault because the ram kit I got isnt on the certified list of supported memory for the motherboard (though I have never had to in the past buy a certified kit), you could also argue I cheaped out on a B650 motherboard.

If the stability problems come back I may have to look at switching the motherboard to something a bit better and make sure I get a verified ram kit.

I'm hoping stabilty will improve as the platform matures and newer bios are released.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Because it's a CPU test not a GPU test, they're testing the CPUs and trying to not have the GPUs get in the way.
The 9800X3D will also offer better 1% lows so the overall experience will be smoother.

Obviously people not running the best GPU won't need the best CPU but I don't think anyone's said otherwise. HUB also recommend upgrading your GPU and sometimes even your monitor before your CPU.
The only contradiction to this is the currently few CPU heavy titles, or simulation games which don't depend on framerate but the time it takes for the CPU to calculate what the AI is going to do.

But what they have done is hyped up a processor to the point where many gamers want only that processor, when in fact that's probably not even the bottleneck in their system. It's a bit like selling tyres tested in Siberia to people in the Bahamas. The reason that I think they are doing that is because they are answering the wrong question. People don't just want to know which is best, they want to know which they will see a real-world difference with. They should run the tests, even if the tests show no difference.

 

[SpellowHouse]

I've had issues with mine. 9800x3d and 64Gb Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz CL30 (not on the with a cheap Asus B650 Tuf motherboard. Set it all up last week (just enabling EXPO but no CPU OC) and it was totally stable for nearly a week, no issues whatsoever. A few days ago the machine just started rebooting randomly after half hour or so and immediately if doing any sort of memory stress test. Everytime it rebooted the DRAM light on the mobo came on for a while and it looked like it was retraining the memory. I had upgraded from Win10 to Win11 a few weeks before changing the hardware over. After some support from awesome folk on here we suspected it could have been a Windows issue as ram testing and stability testing outside of Windows was fine. Did a full reinstall last night and everything currently looks stable so will see how it goes. Its probably my fault because the ram kit I got isnt on the certified list of supported memory for the motherboard (though I have never had to in the past buy a certified kit), you could also argue I cheaped out on a B650 motherboard.

If the stability problems come back I may have to look at switching the motherboard to something a bit better and make sure I get a verified ram kit.

I'm hoping stabilty will improve as the platform matures and newer bios are released.

I have heard the same sort of thing before. The RAM works fine for a little while. And I have heard this happening with some quite expensive MSI boards too. I think the common factor has been the Corsair memory. Probably nothing. There are lots of these systems selling, I am sure we would have heard of it by now, if there was some common issue.

 

[Havana_UK]

But what they have done is hyped up a processor to the point where many gamers want only that processor, when in fact that's probably not even the bottleneck in their system. It's a bit like selling tyres tested in Siberia to people in the Bahamas. The reason that I think they are doing that is because they are answering the wrong question. People don't just want to know which is best, they want to know which they will see a real-world difference with. They should run the tests, even if the tests show no difference.

I think CPU benchmarks are misunderstood.

They are not saying "9800X3D is x% better than a 14900K, you should buy one", but rather demonstrating the maximum frames that a given CPU CAN generate.

By dropping to a lower resolution you are removing the GPU as a performance bottleneck and moving that performance limitation to the CPU. If in a given 1080P test a 9800X3D can generate 250FPS but a 14900K can only generate 180FPS, then regardless of GPU choice you will never get more than 180FPS out of a 14900K. If at 4K your GPU can only push 150FPS then of course it doesn't matter whether you have a 9800X3D or a 14900K (or even something less performant) driving the frames, but once faster GPUs become available, e.g. one that could run the same game at 200FPS in 4K, then the 9800X3D-based system would demonstrate a clear lead over the 14900K, which will still only push 180FPS.

In general terms, people (even enthusiasts) tend to upgrade their GPUs way more frequently than their CPUs, so buying decisions are much more about the future performance potential than the difference they give right now.

 

[tiberuk]

Much as I generally like HUB, I have to admit I can't see why this was necessary. We all know the 9800X3D murders the 14900K, did we really need yet another video on the subject?

Does feel like HUB over-do it with the benchmarks and comparisons sometimes.

It's a hot area with a lot of searches, if you are a full-time tech YouTuber it's hard not to milk the hype money. Don't really blame any of them

 

[Trox]

Being relatively new to zen 4/5 ways of over clocking this video has helped no end with understanding the clocks and all the different voltage paths for the ram.

Thought I’d leave this here in case it’s not been posted before

 

[Hotwired]

I think CPU benchmarks are misunderstood.

They are not saying "9800X3D is x% better than a 14900K, you should buy one", but rather demonstrating the maximum frames that a given CPU CAN generate.

By dropping to a lower resolution you are removing the GPU as a performance bottleneck and moving that performance limitation to the CPU. If in a given 1080P test a 9800X3D can generate 250FPS but a 14900K can only generate 180FPS, then regardless of GPU choice you will never get more than 180FPS out of a 14900K. If at 4K your GPU can only push 150FPS then of course it doesn't matter whether you have a 9800X3D or a 14900K (or even something less performant) driving the frames, but once faster GPUs become available, e.g. one that could run the same game at 200FPS in 4K, then the 9800X3D-based system would demonstrate a clear lead over the 14900K, which will still only push 180FPS.

In general terms, people (even enthusiasts) tend to upgrade their GPUs way more frequently than their CPUs, so buying decisions are much more about the future performance potential than the difference they give right now.

I've only seen one real example put forward as evidence to support the value of speculation on future gaming performance from testing at low graphical load. To prove the benefit you need to actually visit again years later and show what you've got. Turned out when I checked normal resolution and graphics setting performance the user didn't gain a goddam thing.

But the performance by dropping to 720p is still there as it was at the start.

When you sell the idea that 4k performance which is a gigantic graphical load absent from low testing will be easily crushed in the future it would be nice to see that being backed up with a timeframe and a worked example.

 

[Bidley]

Because it's a CPU test not a GPU test, they're testing the CPUs and trying to not have the GPUs get in the way.
The 9800X3D will also offer better 1% lows so the overall experience will be smoother.

Obviously people not running the best GPU won't need the best CPU but I don't think anyone's said otherwise. HUB also recommend upgrading your GPU and sometimes even your monitor before your CPU.
The only contradiction to this is the currently few CPU heavy titles, or simulation games which don't depend on framerate but the time it takes for the CPU to calculate what the AI is going to do.

You're wasting your time, him and others have had the benchmarking process explained to them multiple times.

 

[Vertigo]

Upgrade from 7800X3D all done - of course I can't tell any difference at all lol

Made sense to upgrade though after nabbing the 9800 at a good price and with used values on the 7800 so strong.

 

[Littlenose]

Is there anywhere that has posted a nice simple settings to get decent performance out of the 9800x3d without spending all day testing?

 

[Trox]

Is there anywhere that has posted a nice simple settings to get decent performance out of the 9800x3d without spending all day testing?

I think out the box just enabling expo would give a hassle free uplift. Other than that PBO but it does need a bit of a fiddle and testing from what I’ve seen for it to get stable.

Although stability will depend on what program you use and are happy with

 

[GoRedwings19]

I think out the box just enabling expo would give a hassle free uplift. Other than that PBO but it does need a bit of a fiddle and testing from what I’ve seen for it to get stable.

Although stability will depend on what program you use and are happy with

I just followed a cookie cutter setting I have seen several people mentioned. I tested with 10 minutes of Cb23 and 1 hour of Occt and of course games playing.

curver optimiser at -30, core boost overide +200 (optional), 1xscalar. A majority will do -30 but if not -20 is doable for nearly all 9800x3d samples. An if you are really really unlucky -15/10 should cover all. I used that for quite a bit. But mine can do -35. I have seen a few that can do -40.

 

[Buckster]

at cu

9800x3d is a gaming cpu for productivity use you look elsewhere Steve even made that perfectly clear on the GN benchmarks never mind HUB no-one is suggesting otherwise. Intel fans fret ye not your 14900k's are safe for another day.

at current prices and availability even the 9700x seems a good buy

doesn't seem that far behind with decent RAM

interesting that that 0.1% and 1% lows on the 9700X seem much improved to previous gen - seemingly reducing the gap between the x3D processors and the non-x3D

 

[Trox]

I just followed a cookie cutter setting I have seen several people mentioned. I tested with 10 minutes of Cb23 and 1 hour of Occt and of course games playing.

curver optimiser at -30, core boost overide +200 (optional), 1xscalar. A majority will do -30 but if not -20 is doable for nearly all 9800x3d samples. An if you are really really unlucky -15/10 should cover all. I used that for quite a bit. But mine can do -35. I have seen a few that can do -40.

Mine boots and benchmarks with a PBO of -40, scaler of 10x and +200Mhz but stressing is certainly another story