Poll: AMD Screws Gamers: Sponsorships Likely Block DLSS

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I doubt AMD is spending as much money as people think. The game is running on consoles which will use FSR,and people keep forgetting this is Bethesda Games Studios. Fallout 3,Fallout:New Vegas,Skyrim,Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 were hardly cutting edge games in terms of graphics,in the first place. Wait until people start complaining there isn't enough RT,muddy textures or the character animations/models are not great,etc. Plus all the bugs which the game most likely will have.

It wouldn't surprise me that they just CBA,just like they did in previous games,and implemented a one size fits all strategy because the console version uses FSR. Skyrim used X87 instructions at launch FFS! I would be more surprised AMD had enough sway over both MS and Bethesda Games Studio because they could easily tell AMD to do one.

 

[TNA]

I pretty much said the exact same thing a few pages back. HUB is either incredibly naive or just using angle to make themselves correct.



What if this is how AMD launch their next version of FSR, they mentioned frame gen months ago so could this be FSR 3 with frame gen and improve image quality.

In that case I don't have an issue with it.

 

[Tinek]

So denial I see.

You are really trying to says to work for free, people who highly qualified, skilled and really high paid to go over and do someone's else work for free.

No, that's strawman. Also, totally ignoring what I already said earlier.

 

[Raelgun]

No, that's strawman. Also, totally ignoring what I already said earlier.

You said AMD and Nvidia send over their engineers for free and the amount is meaningless.

Adverts are insanely expensive, even adverts that appear in YouTube are expensive to make and list.

AMD and Nvidia are located in California, those engineers command insane pay salaries.

You think the amounts even with no direct money changing hands are small when it's not the case.

Also there is no working for free, AMD and Nvidia aren't going to disclose figures to hub, why would they inform a meaningless outlet that kind of information?

 

[humbug]

I found the video funny. After going over a contract for using DLSS that memtions having to display their badges on the game etc. he then says he contacted nvidia and they just said what anybody (obviously barring the morons at AMD) would say about they can change it if they don't agree. And he just takes it as if they haven't heard of any of this bs they are talking about...

I pretty much said the exact same thing a few pages back. HUB is either incredibly naive or just using angle to make themselves correct.

Right, as if Nvidia are going to agree not to have the word DLSS anywhere in the game.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

You'll probably find that part of the sponsorship deals involve "you show our branding", we will supply you with engineers to optimise performance on our products and in the case of AMD that would likely include the console market, which would be a no brainer if your product is popular on console systems.

As this thread pertains to FSR which is hardware agnostic it would make perfect sense, unlike for instance dlss which is hardware specific and newer iterations require new hardware.

It's like the whole gsync vs freesync thing. Gsync is better but also costly and requires custom hardware and therefore not common while freesync is free and requires no additional hardware and well is now available in pretty much everything that isn't backed by nvidia.

 

[humbug]

You'll probably find that part of the sponsorship deals involve "you show our branding", we will supply you with engineers to optimise performance on our products and in the case of AMD that would likely include the console market, which would be a no brainer if your product is popular on console systems.

As this thread pertains to FSR which is hardware agnostic it would make perfect sense, unlike for instance dlss which is hardware specific and newer iterations require new hardware.

It's like the whole gsync vs freesync thing. Gsync is better but also costly and requires custom hardware and therefore not common while freesync is free and requires no affirmation hardware and we'll is no available in pretty much everything that isn't backed by nvidia.

Is G-Sync better? Or is this just a case of we have taken that as read because of Nvidia marketing, i have a 165Hz Free-Sync Premium panel, i don't see how G-Sync could be better? I does a job and it does that perfectly, what more or better is there?

Also, 99% of Sync panels these days are Free-Sync.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Is G-Sync better? Or is this just a case of we have taken that as read because of Nvidia marketing, i have a 165Hz Free-Sync Premium panel, i don't see how G-Sync could be better? I does a job and it does that perfectly, what more or better is there?

Also, 99% of Sync panels these days are Free-Sync.

Probably not so much now, freesync 2 and gsync ultimate are basically the same with minor differences, but that wasn't the case only a few years ago.

I suspect the same will happen with fsr, specially when fsr3 comes out this year enabling frame generation on all hardware. In a year or two dlss will probably be on the way out and fsr will take over, nvidia may have the upper hand with a superior product but amd have mass adoption.

 

[humbug]

Probably not so much now, freesync 2 and gsync ultimate are basically the same with minor differences, but that wasn't the case only a few years ago.

I suspect the same will happen with fsr, specially when fsr3 comes out this year enabling frame generation on all hardware. In a year or two dlss will probably be on the way out and fsr will take over, nvidia may have the upper hand with a superior product but amd have mass adoption.

Yeah... Believe me i know it still works flawlessly at sub 30 FPS

 

[TNA]

Probably not so much now, freesync 2 and gsync ultimate are basically the same with minor differences, but that wasn't the case only a few years ago.

I suspect the same will happen with fsr, specially when fsr3 comes out this year enabling frame generation on all hardware. In a year or two dlss will probably be on the way out and fsr will take over, nvidia may have the upper hand with a superior product but amd have mass adoption.

It is still a bit better. But the difference has become very small. The gap used to be much bigger.

 

[ALXAndy]

I doubt AMD is spending as much money as people think. The game is running on consoles which will use FSR,and people keep forgetting this is Bethesda Games Studios. Fallout 3,Fallout:New Vegas,Skyrim,Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 were hardly cutting edge games in terms of graphics,in the first place. Wait until people start complaining there isn't enough RT,muddy textures or the character animations/models are not great,etc. Plus all the bugs which the game most likely will have.

It wouldn't surprise me that they just CBA,just like they did in previous games,and implemented a one size fits all strategy because the console version uses FSR. Skyrim used X87 instructions at launch FFS! I would be more surprised AMD had enough sway over both MS and Bethesda Games Studio because they could easily tell AMD to do one.

Ahh my friend but those games are all living proof that graphics do not a good game make.

FO3 - Game of the year.
FONV - Game of the year.
Skyrim? same.
FO4? people are still playing it 8 years on, still modding it and still streaming it.

FO76? is anus, but yeah....

I would say it is more important to have your name and logos on games like that (apart from FO76) than games that look pretty but are inevitably cack. I mean ffs I still play FO3. And I will play FO4 again by the end of the year too 'cause Fallout London is coming.

IDK what AMD are paying but you are forgetting one small thing there. Remember, they are paying for every copy of these games they give away with a GPU. Well, I say that, that's not strictly true, YOU are (as the GPUs with free games always cost more than the vanilla ones) but AMD still have to pay upfront for those keys. Prolly get a discount, but yeah that wouldn't be a cheap endeavour I don't think.

 

[Kelt]

Ahh my friend but those games are all living proof that graphics do not a good game make.

FO3 - Game of the year.
FONV - Game of the year.
Skyrim? same.
FO4? people are still playing it 8 years on, still modding it and still streaming it.

FO76? is anus, but yeah....

I would say it is more important to have your name and logos on games like that (apart from FO76) than games that look pretty but are inevitably cack. I mean ffs I still play FO3. And I will play FO4 again by the end of the year too 'cause Fallout London is coming.

IDK what AMD are paying but you are forgetting one small thing there. Remember, they are paying for every copy of these games they give away with a GPU. Well, I say that, that's not strictly true, YOU are (as the GPUs with free games always cost more than the vanilla ones) but AMD still have to pay upfront for those keys. Prolly get a discount, but yeah that wouldn't be a cheap endeavour I don't think.

*Waves*

 

[Tinek]

You said AMD and Nvidia send over their engineers for free and the amount is meaningless.

I said big games cost 150+ million USD (and that's without whole pr and advertising budget). There are many sponsors of each game, loads of product placements inside etc. I suspect most of them input more value (they actually pay money) than Nvidia or AMD. Compare all the "big" costs you just mentioned to that budget and other many sponsors and included in the game advertisement of various brands and then claim again this is some huge value GPU vendors bring in so they can demand things. I suspect coca cola and the likes pays more and would have more decisive power over direction development takes. But you never hear about that, do you? Well, we did, many many years ago when that was the drama of the day. Nowadays nobody cares anymore.

Adverts are insanely expensive, even adverts that appear in YouTube are expensive to make and list.

What does advertising the game have to do with AMD or Nvidia? They want their logo to be seen on loading screen in exchange for helping development, that's not much of an advertisement on YouTube, is it?

AMD and Nvidia are located in California, those engineers command insane pay salaries.

Both have international teams located all over the world... Engineers to that do not come all on one level with same salaries. That's just not how this work. Company I work for has engineers earning 100k+ and engineers earning 30k. You don't need your most senior engineers to implement relatively simple to implement tech. You can also have more senior ones consult things for few hours and be done with it. That is literally close to nothing in cost comparing to 150mln USD budget - what are you even talking about here?

You think the amounts even with no direct money changing hands are small when it's not the case.

They seem to be absolutely miniscule when you compare them to the overall AAA games budgets.

Also there is no working for free, AMD and Nvidia aren't going to disclose figures to hub, why would they inform a meaningless outlet that kind of information?

You don't need figures, both companies said multiple times in the past this is how they sponsor games. It's not a guess, it's straight from the horse's mouth. Hub in first video said that too.

 

[Tinek]

Is G-Sync better? Or is this just a case of we have taken that as read because of Nvidia marketing, i have a 165Hz Free-Sync Premium panel, i don't see how G-Sync could be better? I does a job and it does that perfectly, what more or better is there?

Also, 99% of Sync panels these days are Free-Sync.

Gsync has some advantages on standard LCD panels, especially with dynamic overdrive depending on current refresh rate. But on OLED so far I have found only disadvantages and no advantages. Higher price, fan that makes noise, no self -updates of firmware by user, various bugs that will never be fixed etc. One small plus - Nvidia made sure HDR has good tone mapping. Not always the case when FS.

 

[hyperseven]

Right, as if Nvidia are going to agree not to have the word DLSS anywhere in the game.

It would be in the game in the graphics options so that's a given otherwise, how would you know how to enable it and at what quality level

 

[fs123]

I doubt AMD is spending as much money as people think. The game is running on consoles which will use FSR,and people keep forgetting this is Bethesda Games Studios. Fallout 3,Fallout:New Vegas,Skyrim,Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 were hardly cutting edge games in terms of graphics,in the first place. Wait until people start complaining there isn't enough RT,muddy textures or the character animations/models are not great,etc. Plus all the bugs which the game most likely will have.

It wouldn't surprise me that they just CBA,just like they did in previous games,and implemented a one size fits all strategy because the console version uses FSR. Skyrim used X87 instructions at launch FFS! I would be more surprised AMD had enough sway over both MS and Bethesda Games Studio because they could easily tell AMD to do one.

I suspect majority of gamers have logged in countless hours into these Bethesda games compared to the pinnacle of graphics that is Cyberpunk2077. I know I have played Skyrim a whole lot more than CB2077 purely due to the better gameplay and atmosphere. The graphics were pretty top notch at the time of it's release and it still holds up well especially with HD textures.

 

[humbug]

Gsync has some advantages on standard LCD panels, especially with dynamic overdrive depending on current refresh rate. But on OLED so far I have found only disadvantages and no advantages. Higher price, fan that makes noise, no self -updates of firmware by user, various bugs that will never be fixed etc. One small plus - Nvidia made sure HDR has good tone mapping. Not always the case when FS.

I will admit the HDR on my screen was way off, it looked bloody awful out of the box, 30 seconds with the Windows HDR calibration tool fixed that, its gone from utter crap to gorgeous.

Windows HDR Calibration - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store

This app lets you calibrate your HDR display to optimise it for HDR games (including Auto HDR) and other HDR content on your Windows 11 PC. Go through a series of steps to set the minimum and maximum brightness levels, as well as colour saturation level, to create a new colour profile that's...

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[ALXAndy]

I suspect majority of gamers have logged in countless hours into these Bethesda games compared to the pinnacle of graphics that is Cyberpunk2077. I know I have played Skyrim a whole lot more than CB2077 purely due to the better gameplay and atmosphere. The graphics were pretty op notch at the time of it's release and it still holds up well especially with HD textures.

I played CP for about 20 hours. It didn't sit well, the story was so so (relied on Keanu a lot, but star power doesn't make it good) and overall? it just bored me quite a bit.

I've played FO3 hundreds of times through. Like, thousands of hours. And it looks like hot bum now. I even tried to do another FONV but it just kept crashing and none of the old fixes worked.

I know what franchise I would rather have my name on, and it ain't CP. I mean gawd, got to be THE worst launch in history that. This is a very smart move from AMD. Very smart indeed.

 

[D1craig]

I played CP for about 20 hours. It didn't sit well, the story was so so (relied on Keanu a lot, but star power doesn't make it good) and overall? it just bored me quite a bit.

I've played FO3 hundreds of times through. Like, thousands of hours. And it looks like hot bum now. I even tried to do another FONV but it just kept crashing and none of the old fixes worked.

I know what franchise I would rather have my name on, and it ain't CP. I mean gawd, got to be THE worst launch in history that. This is a very smart move from AMD. Very smart indeed.

I dont know. Most live service launches in the past few years have been dog ****. Outriders and anthem had awful launches.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Cyberpunk was a terrible launch, but the game is actually in a good place now and its expansion is out soon which CDPR are calling it's reboot and from what has been shown, Phantom Liberty looks awesome.