Could you get a good aftermarket cooler version of the 480 that made it run around 70c at very quiet noise levels without having to fit it yourself? You do know the 290 is only hot if paired with the reference cooler?
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AMD to launch 300W GPU with High-Bandwidth-Memory
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Could you get a good aftermarket cooler version of the 480 that made it run around 70c at very quiet noise levels without having to fit it yourself? You do know the 290 is only hot if paired with the reference cooler?
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I remember when I was at GTX 480 launch event at a competitor (there's a video) it was a rather hot and loud room!
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Some of these guys have no idea. Just spout what they read. There are loads of benchmarks showing 980's pulling massive watts during gaming just as much as Titan Black etc..
I own a 290X and a 980, I know how much power they use. Facts never stop the sheep though
Lulz.
got any examples of worst case games to bench? I know corsair checked a few, and the worst of their bunch was metro: last light redux. They measured 350w peak at the psu side (not at the wall) for the whole system, including a 4ghz 5960x. This is with a 980 at 1476/1900.
I think that's pretty reasonable so there must be worse examples?
http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/2014/october/overclocking_the_gtx_980
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It's hot full stop, lol.
I don't mean operating temperature, actual heat.
The WF X3 for the 480 done a good job of noise and operating temps. Not that it really means anything without knowing ambient.
I have not tried it but Crysis 3 maxed out would probably use a lot as the cards are under constant load and multi GPU scaling is near perfect. The game also uses a lot of VRAM so the use there will be higher and the CPU also has to work hard.
The Zalman VF 3000 was an epic cooler and OCUK used to sell them for around £25.
I remember ordering a stock GTX 470 for £170 which at the time was stupid cheap and then fitted a Zalman and it would top out at 63c in a Furmark benchmark (so not ran for hours and hours) and could clock to over 800mhz and still remain under 73c.
The biggest mistake on the Fermi big guns was the coolers. They were inefficient and crap. The fan on the 470 was only around 1-1.5 inches in diameter so sounded like a helicopter taking off.
Actually the 290X also has a 300 Watt TDP, the same.
300 watts is for wimps.
I like AMD cards because you can stick serious volts through them without breaking anything.
Way to miss the point!
I don't care what cooler you put on a high TDP card, the fact remains that the temps given off by the card are immense (regardless that a cooler is keeping it nice and cool) and this is where I tend to look now. I don't want to sit there in a very hot summer with a heater next to me. The 480 is said heater, as is the 290X, as is my 3 Titans.
300 watts is for wimps.
I like AMD cards because you can stick serious volts through them without breaking anything.
Yeah, 8Pack said a similar thing.
If there is any truth to this it looks like AMD have got the power down.
Just having HBM on a 290X would reduce the power by a significant amount, perhaps 40 Watts.
The 290X has a 300 Watt TDP and uses 270 Watts, reduce that by 40 watts and your down to 230 Watts.
Add around 15% Shaders and your back to about 270 Watts.
With the extra shaders and HBM we might be looking at around 35% extra performance at the same power levels as the 290X.
Complete speculation, of course, but not unreasonable.
Biggest problem I find with multi cards on air is the heat they produce does cause problems with the rest of the PC even in a case with good air flow.
Even if you can keep 4 290Xs below 94c to stop them throttling all that heat energy will find ways of getting to the rest of the PC like through the PCI-E slots to name one possibility. Even if you are using a single card running that hot do you really want the area round it heating up ?
Fortunately with water the cards don't get hot enough to cause the rest of the PC problems.
There are some very interesting developments happening in the near future which means when the 390X turns up it will be a great card.
What it won't be fortunately is anything like some of the speculation in this thread.
My guess is it will have -
The same TDP as the 290X
A slightly better cooler
Run below 85c
Be about 40% faster than a 290X
There are many ways AMD could go to achieve this and I have no idea which way they will go. The only thing I do think is the 390X will be special.
When you say "temps" it sounds like you are saying the temperate of the card rather than the heat that goes into the case and room. Now that we have established that the 290 has a cool operating temp with the right cooler but you don't like the heat output what is 3x290x heat output compared to the 3x titans?
There are some very interesting developments happening in the near future which means when the 390X turns up it will be a great card.
What it won't be fortunately is anything like some of the speculation in this thread.
My guess is it will have -
The same TDP as the 290X
A slightly better cooler
Run below 85c
Be about 40% faster than a 290X
There are many ways AMD could go to achieve this and I have no idea which way they will go. The only thing I do think is the 390X will be special.
Its all down 'Mainly' to what HBM offers, then extra ROP's? using the 28nm SHP node would add a small margin per clock per core.... and one thing i forgot about was their texture compression technology, on Tonga that alone makes a 256Bit 280/7950 as fast to faster than a 280X/7970 GE.
All that in mind we could be looking at a very significant gain in performance.
Tonga with 3200 Shanders, HBM, Texture compression and 96 ROP's could be a monster at 290X power levels.
But lets not get too existed, as you say, it depends on what AMD will do, but they must know they have to come out with all guns blazing.
The 290 is not hot with the right cooler it's heat output is higher therefore room temps are hotter. Was the WF X3 for the 480 a standard windforce cooler for it?
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Well, having recently moved form AMD to Nvidia, because I was having issues with consistent performance on the AMD cards, I have discovered the 970's arent much better.
I do not care about power draw and heat output - if these are anywhere near 25% faster than a 290x and with 8GB, I will be getting a couple.
I need more power for my 4K screen!
I do not care about power draw and heat output - if these are anywhere near 25% faster than a 290x and with 8GB, I will be getting a couple.
I need more power for my 4K screen!
I don't have a clue but it is very hot. The Titan has a TDP of 250W, whilst the 290X has a 300W TDP, so effectively, that is an extra 150W of heat in the case and then in the room. With a 900W heater running in the summer, you can imagine the heat coming into the room and you have to remember that most room heaters have a top heat output of 2kw (just to give some perspective).
Yes you can cool a high heat output card with a good aftermarket cooler. Ref coolers are not up to the job for them unless you want high noise.