AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

[jigger]

If you said "because demand is lower for AMD cards from gamers and miners due to consumers being clueless idiots" I'd be on board, because that is the actual truth. Everything else, well...

You're never going to let this fallacy go, are you. You're starting to come across as quite unwell mentally the fact this sticks in your head regardless of how many people literally prove you incorrect, yet you bring it up again and again and again in every single conversation.

Starting to come across as unwell? Poor chap has been foaming at the mouth.


Having a quick look AMD is pretty much matching Nvidia on retail sales graphics cards. It’s hard to say how sales look in the mining market, but it seem AMD RDNA cards are a long way ahead in performance and power use when it comes to mining so maybe AMD are ahead in that market too.

 

[humbug]

£9.99 with a free game !
£8.99 with free game for the 6800xt
£7.99 for the 6700xt
£7.50 for the 6700
£6.99 for the 6600xt

Everything below, Free to good home !

Yeah

I would love that, people wanting something for nothing or = evil is just bat crap crazy but at the same time also be ok with everything Nvidia do boggles the mind, they wonder why no one takes them seriously, unironically with a straight face.

There is a lot wrong here and i'm on board with a proper conversation over it but my ####'ing GOD this is insane.

 

[jigger]

Yeah

I would love that, people wanting something for nothing or = evil is just bat crap crazy but at the same time also be ok with everything Nvidia do boggles the mind, they wonder why no one takes them seriously, unironically with a straight face.

There is a lot wrong here and i'm on board with a proper conversation over it but my ####'ing GOD this is insane.

I’ve tried a few times. You get nowhere fast.

Anyway, it’s a technology driven market and that’s what counts. I’m looking forward to Zen 3D and pretty much all of 2022. This year hould be very interesting as AMD seem to be prepared to continue innovating at a relentless rate.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I have 0 interest in overpriced Apple products, if AMD are going to go a similar route and overcharge while having slower cores i have no issue going back to Intel.

So far AMD have been overcharging quite a bit for some of their CPUs, but people seem to love Apple products and they do the same so.. their choice.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Say what you like but atleast they are available, I game on my "pretend" 3080FE for £649 everyday so thanks Nvidia for atleast giving me the opportunity to purchase one for MSRP. Had AMD done the same then I'd have bought a 6800XT.

I've managed to game on my ref 6800xt for less than you paid for 380fe thanks to AMD

Me too, using the same 6800 XT.

Oof. I game on my pretend FE too joxer. Still think Jensen has his puppets controlling the fake MSRP when all you do is check the going rate for the AIB stock and its near double. AMD are no better and very shocked they have not made some move to drop frequent UK stock to their mid stack like the non XT 6800 and try bring price down of the 6700.

 

[jigger]

Oof. I game on my pretend FE too joxer. Still think Jensen has his puppets controlling the fake MSRP when all you do is check the going rate for the AIB stock and its near double. AMD are no better and very shocked they have not made some move to drop frequent UK stock to their mid stack like the non XT 6800 and try bring price down of the 6700.

Joxen has two RTX 3080 and one in another machine. Mines on one (or two) while gaming on the other.

 

[LePhuronn]

So far AMD have been overcharging quite a bit for some of their CPUs

This again. Since you don't foam at the mouth like others here, please give us your take on how AMD have been "overcharging quite a bit" for some of their CPUs?

Note that "have been" is past tense, so let's not bring Alder Lake into this just yet.

Apple's prices isn't really relevant here either. Although I too think they massively took the pish with prices in the Intel era, as a Mac user (secondary systems and cross-platform development) there is an awful lot you get as part of the buy into the Apple experience which to some is worth the premium.

 

[jigger]

I have 0 interest in overpriced Apple products, if AMD are going to go a similar route and overcharge while having slower cores i have no issue going back to Intel.

So far AMD have been overcharging quite a bit for some of their CPUs, but people seem to love Apple products and they do the same so.. their choice.

Seems like AMD are moving production to free up 7nm manufacturing. Finger crossed that is to ease constraints. Although I’m sure you don’t really care.

 

[Joxeon]

Joxen has two RTX 3080 and one in another machine. Mines on one (or two) while gaming on the other.

Only 2 and one is in the kids PC but yeah they are both mining when not in use for gaming and why not? they are both free now with the next gen also paid for.

 

[q974739]

Question to everyone who says that both sides are over charging. I would be very interested in a short chart, showing how much current gen cards should cost - in your opinions. Not MSRPs. Actual values. And include the plain 2060 as a comparison point please

And if your definitions of value are different, that's actually more interesting to me. (Trying to calibrate my own value scale, given I'm using a plain 2060)

 

[Curlyriff]

Question to everyone who says that both sides are over charging. I would be very interested in a short chart, showing how much current gen cards should cost - in your opinions. Not MSRPs. Actual values. And include the plain 2060 as a comparison point please

And if your definitions of value are different, that's actually more interesting to me. (Trying to calibrate my own value scale, given I'm using a plain 2060)

Hard to answer that but if you took the pricing of the 900 series by Nvidia and extrapolated that then I would say that would be a solid aim.

Meaning for instance the 3080 would have been around £500 at release, 3080ti £600, 3090 (new titan as such) £900 (always been an outlier the titan of course) so yeah.

That would be nvidia side and then AMD should be aiming to slot theirs in where the value to performance targets each one and has the equivalent 1:1 performance to value ratio. If that makes for instance a 6800xt above or below a 3080 will work itself out and then either can adjust prices to compete harder should they wish.

Prices now are 50% higher than that at rrp let alone sale price.

 

[jigger]

Question to everyone who says that both sides are over charging. I would be very interested in a short chart, showing how much current gen cards should cost - in your opinions. Not MSRPs. Actual values. And include the plain 2060 as a comparison point please

And if your definitions of value are different, that's actually more interesting to me. (Trying to calibrate my own value scale, given I'm using a plain 2060)

Well the Joxens of the world are happy to pay £1400 for a 3080 level card. So I guess 3 times ish what they are worth?

What I didn’t know about though is that if I bought a few RTX 3080’s I could heat a Manson and retire from mining. Well according to Joxen…

 

[gpuerrilla]

Question to everyone who says that both sides are over charging. I would be very interested in a short chart, showing how much current gen cards should cost - in your opinions. Not MSRPs. Actual values. And include the plain 2060 as a comparison point please

And if your definitions of value are different, that's actually more interesting to me. (Trying to calibrate my own value scale, given I'm using a plain 2060)

This has been shared before but not to a standard. So results may have been taken from say the rainforest sales - which doesnt show the major retailers in the UK and their price points.

I have a couple of alert feeds, I noticed even the famous indian dish for example had a specific brand it gets in stock for a 3060Ti and it jumped from its usual £700 list price to £800 in the stock drop just before christmas.

Well the Joxens of the world are happy to pay £1400 for a 3080 level card. So I guess 3 times ish what they are worth?

Joxer paid AIB prices? I thought he had FE editions..

 

[jigger]

Hard to answer that but if you took the pricing of the 900 series by Nvidia and extrapolated that then I would say that would be a solid aim.

Meaning for instance the 3080 would have been around £500 at release, 3080ti £600, 3090 (new titan as such) £900 (always been an outlier the titan of course) so yeah.

That would be nvidia side and then AMD should be aiming to slot theirs in where the value to performance targets each one and has the equivalent 1:1 performance to value ratio. If that makes for instance a 6800xt above or below a 3080 will work itself out and then either can adjust prices to compete harder should they wish.

Prices now are 50% higher than that at rrp let alone sale price.

Im not sure TBH. I’ve had a 3080 and 6800XT. The 6800XT is the better product. If it was a choice between an RTX3080 for £500 or RX6800XT for £550 I’d take the RDNA 2 card. The heat output of Ampere and system requirements really spoil the cards.

 

[jigger]

This has been shared before but not to a standard. So results may have been taken from say the rainforest sales - which doesnt show the major retailers in the UK and their price points.

I have a couple of alert feeds, I noticed even the famous indian dish for example had a specific brand it gets in stock for a 3060Ti and it jumped from its usual £700 list price to £800 in the stock drop just before christmas.



Joxer paid AIB prices? I thought he had FE editions..

You never know with Joxen but he’s been arguing why they are worth £1400 and I never mined on the RTX 3080 before I got rid of it. So maybe*

 

[gpuerrilla]

For a long time and still likely the case, the retailer that sells FE cards here had zero stock of any AIB nvidia cards. This would indicate regular folk were still buying all the available 30 series cards no matter the price. We then know the prices of these cards were way overpriced so the 'average' people were shelling out for one is not FE but likely near 100% more.

 

[jigger]

For a long time and still likely the case, the retailer that sells FE cards here had zero stock of any AIB nvidia cards. This would indicate regular folk were still buying all the available 30 series cards no matter the price. We then know the prices of these cards were way overpriced so the 'average' people were shelling out for one is not FE but likely near 100% more.

Yeah, I managed to get one. I had another through my wife’s account but the shop over sold them and it never shipped. Typical switch and bait.

 

[jigger]

I just hope the Zen 3D chips are terrible at mining or all we’ll have is never ending posts from Joxen going on and on about how they are worth thousands, over and over. He’ll probably be even worse when Intel launches its Arc GPU’s if they turn out to be mining beasts.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I would be very interested in a short chart, showing how much current gen cards should cost - in your opinions. Not MSRPs. Actual values.

Here is a fast table extracted from TH (and coverted the $ to £). They used the bay sales for this data:

GPU £ Paid
GeForce RTX 3090 £ 2,172.64
GeForce RTX 3080 Ti £ 1,402.30
GeForce RTX 3080 £ 1,272.80
GeForce RTX 3070 Ti £ 888.74
GeForce RTX 3070 £ 882.82
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti £ 741.48
GeForce RTX 3060 12GB £ 554.26
Radeon RX 6900 XT £ 1,183.26
Radeon RX 6800 XT £ 1,024.16
Radeon RX 6800 £ 985.68
Radeon RX 6700 XT £ 699.30
Radeon RX 6600 XT £ 492.10
Radeon RX 6600 £ 435.12

Average prices for Nvidia's RTX 30-series GPUs increased by 9.2% compared to October, while the average price for AMD's RDNA 2 GPUs was mostly flat (1.1% higher). However, part of that is thanks to significantly higher numbers of RX 6600 cards sold — 156% more than in October — which brings the average down. Individually, every current generation GPU increased in <the bay> pricing by anywhere from 3% to 10% (7.8% average across all GPUs).

 

[Joxeon]

Joxer paid AIB prices? I thought he had FE editions..

I have an AIB and FE 3080 and paid MSRP for them both.