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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

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To add to that i still see tech jurnalists who should really know better insist on treating it like a Bulldozer CPU, i don't know if these people are pretending to be idiots, or if they are idiots.

Ryzen CPU's should be treated more like a modern GPU. You work with the technology, not against it like a buffoon.
 
The CPU monitors its self and the motherboards power rails, it uses the data its collecting to calculate optimum frequency and power requirement settings, such as current, voltages... it does this once every millisecond.

The Curve Optimiser is your access to that, with it you can tell the algorithm to try for higher boosts with higher power, you can tell it to be more efficient with lower boosts, or you can tell it to try for a higher boost while also being more efficient.
That requires a bit more work than: set 50X multiplier > set 1.45v > Save and exit, a monkey can do that in 20 seconds which is probably why tech journalists like it, but it doesn't work on modern CPU's, AMD left that in the BIOS for monkey's but i think its time to ditch it, monkey's should not be messing with sophisticated technology anyway.

 
humbug said:
To add to that i still see tech jurnalists who should really know better insist on treating it like a Bulldozer CPU, i don't know if these people are pretending to be idiots, or if they are idiots.

Ryzen CPU's should be treated more like a modern GPU. You work with the technology, not against it like a buffoon.
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Yup, use the tech as it was designed to be used etc.

However, testing the frequency limits is still useful, to show the limits of the design under different scenarios (even if the results may be misinterpreted by the average PC user).
 
g67575 said:
Yup, use the tech as it was designed to be used etc.

However, testing the frequency limits is still useful, to show the limits of the design under different scenarios (even if the results may be misinterpreted by the average PC user).
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Sure, but the problem is, and this is why i find it quite annoying, tech journalists, i'm talking about some of these guys that have been around for decades, treat it like a Bulldozer CPU in the overclocking section and then conclude "oh its worse if you try to overclock it" <- Well, that looks like a 'you are stupid' problem to me.
If its just an ordinary person whose just not such a bigger nerd as the rest of us then fine, if i see it i'll try to help them out and teach them how the use the technology properly.
A tech journalists job is to be a nerd, its their job to use the technology properly, so i have no patience for them when they are being idiots.
Tech Journalism just isn't what it once was, a lot of these people don't know what they are doing, they don't know what they are talking about, the only thing they are good for is creating click bait.

I get that legacy technology may still have use, but it can also be a trap for people who don't know what they are doing, which is fine none of us are born all knowing, we all have to learn this stuff, but when tech journalists who are too lazy to learn fall in to the legacy trap other normies trusting them as an authority don't realise what they are being told and shown is utterly wrong.
 
arknor said:
will it be hot as hell and still get pounded by intel
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thanks dude, I'd only just cleaned my screen and I've just sprayed coffee over it laughing at your comedy.

Neither company's final silicon has been tested and benched, so you have no real numbers to base this opinion on. Care to retract your statement before people accuse you of fanboyism?
 
Isn't this basically what Angstronomics said earlier this year? Why is it always some dumb anime character we have to get 'news' from :D

I don't really believe the 7950X will be competing with the 13900K in single core performance, more likely to be the 13700K (which would still be very good).

If we can use XFR to clock an 8 core Zen 4 CPU at ~5.8ghz, now that would be impressive. I'd of thought that 5.6ghz for 8 cores is more likely, it sounds like the BIOS/AGESA firmware is still being worked on though.

It's interesting that 5950X silicon was (in most cases) already capable of "5025/5050 MHz" on a single core, which AMD said "should be easily achievable with a large proportion of 5950X retail hardware". Not something you hear from the Zen 4 marketing team :)
 
It looks like the 'leakers' have just copied the launch pricing of Zen 3 though, with the 7700X taking the place of the 5800X. Seems pretty dumb.

Only launching 4 CPUs? Seems dubious.
 
g67575 said:
It looks like the 'leakers' have just copied the launch pricing of Zen 3 though, with the 7700X taking the place of the 5800X. Seems pretty dumb.

Only launching 4 CPUs? Seems dubious.
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Pretty sure they only initially launched 4 Zen 3 CPU's, was quite a while before more got launched
 
those am5 blocks look good tbh, with regard to am4 coolers looks like new mounting screws will be needed as the new ek blocks screw directly into the new x600 series boards

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pre order prices are lower than what videocardz say too :) (preorder price perhaps or?)
 
g67575 said:
It looks like the 'leakers' have just copied the launch pricing of Zen 3 though, with the 7700X taking the place of the 5800X. Seems pretty dumb.

Only launching 4 CPUs? Seems dubious.
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Why is it dumb? Didn't AMD say Ryzen 7000 was launching at the same MSRP as Ryzen 5000? And the 7700X taking the 5800X's spot makes perfect sense since that leaves a perfect gap in the lineup for the 7800X3D due Q1 next year.

And again, how is launching "only" 4 SKUs dubious when there's only 4 SKUs to launch right now? 6 core, 8 core, 12 core and 16 core are the bread and butter, always has been. The other SKUs come later when there's chiplets to spare, revisions (like V Cache) to come or a new stepping.
 
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