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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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Never offended meI have nothing more to say and sorry if that offended people. That wasn't my intention but there ya go. I won't say anything more and leave you guys to find your safe space
Even doom does not offend me, he does annoy me a little from time to time with his predisposition however
Caporegime
So it shouldn't lol.Never offended me
Even doom does not offend me, he does annoy me a little from time to time with his predisposition however
Possibly, but AMD's ability to get drivers and firmware sorted before or on launch has been lacking for a few years now.
In response to a drop in share price; both AMD, and NVIDIA peaked and started dropping after GDC with the 1080ti reveal and Capsaicin.
They're both on the same roller coaster; but there are many other circumstances for the drops.
All of NASDAQ was in a sharp decline the last 2 days, as the market is expecting a triple Interest Rate hike coming soon.
Both companies are also oversold and overvalued, so many short term traders took their profits on the peaks, both for the Hype trains on products, and to pre-empt the Interest Rate hike coming.
Mubadala also sold a massive 45 million AMD shares after Ryzen's launch, as they needed to execute on their share order from 2007. This exacerbated the AMD drop though, as prior we had Short Termers taking profit, the NASDAQ Interest rate hike fear, and then that massive 45 mil block sale.
Mubadala did invest when AMD was in the single digits though, so they made a massive return; and still own another ~97 million shares, along with a near 19.9% stake in AMD.
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Every day that goes by I loose a little more confidence that an RX Vega can go toe to toe with a 1080Ti, I want to give AMD a chance but their window of opportunity for me is getting awfully narrow now
It won't. I expect it to nestle somewhere between the 1080 and 1080Ti, probaby 10-15% above 1080 if we're lucky, but at a more competitive price. There's no reason to think it can go toe to toe with the 1080Ti with only 8GB VRAM and the other specs that have been released.
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Loadsa doom n gloom in here tonight
Yeah, i just really wish AMD could do a launch, but they can't, its just poor performance, because of poor drivers, no drivers, BIOS problems, this, that and the other, the Furys, not as good as expected, the 480s, not as good as expected, Ryzen, yeah, i'll admit, they've done a fantastic job to get where they are from where they were, but they messed the launch up, with the windows drivers, the BIOS problems sorted, they probably could have been so much better reviewed, and looked much better, which were no doubt going to see, when the reviewers go back to them, after AMD have ironed all the problems out, but it'll be too late then, as already lost sales, just like their graphics cards, poor performance on release day, as drivers not up to scratch, so cards are looking worse than they are, then 6/8 or whatever months down the line, after a few more drivers have trickled out, they are miles better than they were when reviewed, and actually matching, and beating the cards they are competing with, that were much better/faster than them when they were reviewed upon their releases, but by that time, again, they've lost sales, as everyones already bought the much better Nvidia cards, its such a shame
I suspect the 1080ti was always going to drop then - the only thing AMD's presentation might possibly have had an impact on was launch price. IMO nVidia don't feel threatened by AMD with the pricing they've gone for as a reactionary measure on pricing would have been to either push the price way up or way down to try and spoil AMD's market - which either means Vega isn't anything special or nVidia feel very confident they can counter it.
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What price point are we expecting "small Vega" to come in at? That's the one I'm going to be more interested in upon release.
I'll quote this just in case
I'd happily be wrong, but I just don't see it. I don't doubt it will be a great value card and perform well, the best option for those with Freesync monitors no doubt, but for sheer horsepower, I'm convincned the 1080Ti will be top of the pile.
Fair enough, good chance you will be right, but I am not convinced myself 100% that big vega will not be able to compete with 1080Ti. The only thing I can see stopping RTG not being able to beat 1080Ti is their R&D budget being a lot smaller. But the fact that they are coming in very late now with this new architecture I feel there is definitely a chance Vega can trade blows or beat 1080Ti. But then not so long after end up behind Nvidia again when they release Volta. That is the way I see it
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I am not convinced but if was a betting man I'd back that position.
Fair enough, good chance you will be right, but I am not convinced myself 100% that big vega will not be able to compete with 1080Ti. The only thing I can see stopping RTG not being able to beat 1080Ti is their R&D budget being a lot smaller. But the fact that they are coming in very late now with this new architecture I feel there is definitely a chance Vega can trade blows or beat 1080Ti. But then not so long after end up behind Nvidia again when they release Volta. That is the way I see it
You may be right, I may be right, who knows lol? Ultimately though, it arguably doesn't matter given the monitor side of things. If you have a G-Sync monitor, it would be a bit daft going with VEGA, and likewise if you have a Freesync monitor then why would you get an Nvidia GPU? I'm sure plenty of Freesync owners have Nvidia cards now, but only through lack of choice. No matter how VEGA performs, it's going to be the only option for those with high refresh Freesync monitors.
For those people looking to upgrade ageing monitors in addition to buying either VEGA or 1080Ti, that's where the performance question will really come in to the equation. Of course, if VEGA turns out to be a 1080Ti crusher at a much reduced price, it could spark many G-Sync monitors owners selling up and moving to Freesync variants (I'd even consider that myself as an X34 owner), but I do not see much chance of that happening.
Fair enough, good chance you will be right, but I am not convinced myself 100% that big vega will not be able to compete with 1080Ti. The only thing I can see stopping RTG not being able to beat 1080Ti is their R&D budget being a lot smaller. But the fact that they are coming in very late now with this new architecture I feel there is definitely a chance Vega can trade blows or beat 1080Ti. But then not so long after end up behind Nvidia again when they release Volta. That is the way I see it
Its possible they will stay on top of that by producing Vega 11 not as a small chip but as a revised upwards strategy going forward and filling the lower tiers with refreshes of the one back core each time.
Well said. See this is the kind of mature response I enjoy reading and interacting/debating with
Yea, my monitor does not have g-sync or freesync so I am hoping RTG deliver something with good price for performance. As I have not already got G-Sync I do not fancy paying £200-£300 extra for it for what essentially is the same monitor that does the same thing. Freesync 2 really sounds good and would love to go down that route if possible.
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Good for few, many people do though. Around 0.7% of people have 4k screen, 4k is pretty irrelevant in the real world.
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I'm pretty much in the camp of "Looking to upgrade GPU and monitor" as i've got an aging AW2310 monitor powered by a 390. If Vega is a decent price and offers performance between 1070 and 1080 levels i'll get the Vega as a freesync 1440p monitor is around £100 cheaper than a G-Sync alternative.
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Maybe Vega won't be as fast as the 1080ti but with Ryzen being released AMD are going to become profitable again. The extra income will have a knock on effect and give the gpu department a shot in the arm so I doubt Nvidia will have the monopoly performance wise in a few gens time tbh.
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I was looking at a Samsung Ultrawide Freesync model with quantum dot earlier. Personally I don't think that one has a very good Freesync build with it's range being from 40 to 75 and no LFC which is a shame. It's good to see them do such models though.
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