AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:04

Griffildur said:
did that really happen ? oh dear ... that would be so unbelievably pathetic behaviour. I really hope you're wrong, I mean I don't like AMD at all but I wouldn't expect such crappy behaviour from them ...

That is his version. The 390x did have performance drivers on release that made it look better but where he gets the 6 months from i don't know. He should be concentrating more on how the 290x still recieves great drivers and how kepler is a thing of the past in nvidia's eyes.

TNA · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:09

LoadsaMoney said:
Apart from its not worth waiting for, no.

But with what info has everyone come up with this conclusion? With Vega being a new architecture, we have little idea what the performance will be apart from that taped up card we saw which was ages ago which may not have even been their best card. Even if it was, they will have had 6 months to work on drivers from then to release. Worse case scenario I see is Vega comes out and is say between the performance of a 1080 and 1080Ti and is £500-£600, it will have been worth the wait for those of us who either have a freesycn monitor or looking to buy one vs buying a 1080Ti now

tommybhoy said:

nomadd · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:17

TNA said:
But with what info has everyone come up with this conclusion?

The Mighty +10 Crystal Ball of Speculation and Foresight (Enhanced).

D.P. · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:17

All the rumors suggest mainly an evolution of Polaris but with an HBM controller added, I don't think anyone is expecting a miracle GPU this time round. Navi looks truly next general but it pushed back a little with Vega 20 next year as another evolution.

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:20

D.P. said:
All the rumors suggest mainly an evolution of Polaris but with an HBM controller added, I don't think anyone is expecting a miracle GPU this time round. Navi looks truly next general but it pushed back a little with Vega 20 next year as another evolution.

Show me these rumours that suggest an evolution of Polaris for the Vega Gpu.

LoadsaMoney · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:47

TNA said:
But with what info has everyone come up with this conclusion?

Well i came to that conclusion after the Fury fail, and since then, we've had the 480 fail, and the Ryzen fail, so....

D.P. · 24 Mar 2017 at 18:52

TheRealDeal said:
Show me these rumours that suggest an evolution of Polaris for the Vega Gpu.

Just use Google, also Beyond3D as always has a detailed thread with many industry experts adding their opinion. AMD itself says it is a new Graphics Core Next micoarchitecture, 5th generation GCN 1.4. GCN1.4 is Polaris and is the same instruction set as GCN 1.2.There shoudl be some irmpovements to the fornt end that reduced some of the existing bottlenecks and brings Dx11 performance slower to DX12, much as we saw in Polaris just more of the same. Should help close the gap a little to the GP10X parts.

TNA · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:02

LoadsaMoney said:
Well i came to that conclusion after the Fury fail, and since then, we've had the 480 fail, and the Ryzen fail, so....

Well to me that is not how it works. I agree Fury was fail, I also agree 480 was a somewhat fail. But Ryzen is only a fail if you look at it purely from a gamers point of view, even then I would say it is hard to call that one a fail. But from a general CPU perspective I think it is great success.

Anyway, my point is, you cannot just go by previous failures and judge by that. AMD over the year have had their ups and downs and have come back. You should be old enough to remember the 4870, they had at least 2 fails before that. Also, imo it makes a lot more sense to look at what architectural chances have been made with Vega to get an idea about it rather than guess due to past failures

spoffle · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:03

LoadsaMoney said:
Well i came to that conclusion after the Fury fail, and since then, we've had the 480 fail, and the Ryzen fail, so....

Ryzen is a fail? Since when?

r7slayer · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:04

D.P. said:
All the rumors suggest mainly an evolution of Polaris but with an HBM controller added, I don't think anyone is expecting a miracle GPU this time round. Navi looks truly next general but it pushed back a little with Vega 20 next year as another evolution.

are you kidding me? For some one who claims to be upto date with GPU arcs you are really off the mark here. Vega is a new architecture NCU and has the most improvements since the 7970 days. Just a evolution of polaris... really. Where did you find this garbage.

r7slayer · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:07

spoffle said:
Ryzen is a fail? Since when?

Since Intel's line up has the most optimisation OS based and game engine based. Its still slightly better for gaming with a 7700k. Even the motherboards need optimising with new bios to fix bugs and other issues. People still blame AMD and ryzen though for this and cos of this its a failure. Still rekt the enthusiast x99 chips when it comes to price to performance.

N19h7m4r3 · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:14

r7slayer said:
Since Intel's line up has the most optimisation OS based and game engine based. Its still slightly better for gaming with a 7700k. Even the motherboards need optimising with new bios to fix bugs and other issues. People still blame AMD and ryzen though for this and cos of this its a failure. Still rekt the enthusiast x99 chips when it comes to price to performance.

Never mind less issues on launch than x99 had. Most of the RAM issues are already sorted out, took Asus near 6 months to do that for my x99 Deluxe.

Plus some X99 boards had VRMs that cooked themselves. People tend to forget or ignore those issues it seems.
Ryzen hasn't even been out a month is most of the issues have been mostly addressed, along with AMD partnering with developers, and sending out dev kits to help speed up the optimisations for Ryzen.

After being absent nearly 6 years in the CPU space with a proper competing product they're actually back, and putting in a hell of a lot of effort.

If I didn't have my current X99 system I'd be all over an 8 core Ryzen build.

D.P. · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20

r7slayer said:
are you kidding me? For some one who claims to be upto date with GPU arcs you are really off the mark here. Vega is a new architecture NCU and has the most improvements since the 7970 days. Just a evolution of polaris... really. Where did you find this garbage.

EHH, No.Try again and stop trolling. AMD even call it GCN. NCU is a marketing name for the latest compute units but the mciroarchietcture still sits within the GCN series. This is liekly the largest upgrade to the architecture since the original GCN 1.0, which is exactly why AMD say it the biggest change since then, but not earlier.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_5th_Generation_.28Vega.29 This is anevolution of the same GCN series, since the Terrascale architecture in the HD200 and 3000 chips. Vega should be the biggest change though.

r7slayer · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:21

N19h7m4r3 said:
Never mind less issues on launch than x99 had. Most of the RAM issues are already sorted out, took Asus near 6 months to do that for my x99 Deluxe.

Plus some X99 boards had VRMs that cooked themselves. People tend to forget or ignore those issues it seems.
Ryzen hasn't even been out a month is most of the issues have been mostly addressed, along with AMD partnering with developers, and sending out dev kits to help speed up the optimisations for Ryzen.

After being absent nearly 6 years in the CPU space with a proper competing product they're actually back, and putting in a hell of a lot of effort.

If I didn't have my current X99 system I'd be all over an 8 core Ryzen build.

exactly this! And the average users don't seem to understand this and then you just get the majority calling it a failure.
I always look at it as a new gen console comes out. It's new it takes time for game devs to get used to the new hardware in order to optimise and develop their game engines in order for their games to make the most out of the hardware. It does not just happen overnight lol.
Hence the Dev kits AMD are sending out like you said.

r7slayer · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:34

D.P. said:
EHH, No.Try again and stop trolling. AMD even call it GCN. NCU is a marketing name for the latest compute units but the mciroarchietcture still sits within the GCN series. This is liekly the largest upgrade to the architecture since the original GCN 1.0, which is exactly why AMD say it the biggest change since then, but not earlier.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_5th_Generation_.28Vega.29 This is anevolution of the same GCN series, since the Terrascale architecture in the HD200 and 3000 chips. Vega should be the biggest change though.

Not trolling at all. It is you that usually does that tbh.
From what i understood back at CES when they unveiled a lot of stuff. They were saying they have evolved GCN and are now calling it NCU or Vega Next-generation Compute Unit. Instead of Graphics Core next.
Either way you have just admitted that it has the largest upgrade and changes to GCN architecture. So there is a lot different compared to Polaris. Not just an evolution. I would say Pascal is just a evolution of Maxwell tbh but not for Vega lol.

Navi is going to be different too. Next gen memory and from what i understand they are going to use multiple smaller chips on a substrate instead of just making one big chip. Probably similar to the PS4 Pro.

Lokken86 · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:43

LoadsaMoney said:
Well i came to that conclusion after the Fury fail, and since then, we've had the 480 fail, and the Ryzen fail, so....

If buying a new system today, which cpu would you get for £300/400 and why? Genuine question.

TNA · 24 Mar 2017 at 19:55

Lokken86 said:
If buying a new system today, which cpu would you get for £300/400 and why? Genuine question.

Intel. He has come to hate anything AMD it seems

That said, if all one does with PC is game and general browsing and wants best performance today, then Intel would be the way to go. However I never look at things like that. Way I would see it is, a CPU will last me 4-5 years so I will take that into account and the answer would be obvious then, Ryzen

I have had my 4770K just shy of 4 years now. It still has another year or so in it before it get relegated to my second PC however. Then I will buy a Zen+ 7nm CPU in 2018/9

LoadsaMoney · 24 Mar 2017 at 20:03

Lokken86 said:
If buying a new system today, which cpu would you get for £300/400 and why? Genuine question.

TNA said:
Intel.

Well yeah it would be, cheaper and faster than the Ryzens, so a no brainer.

Panos · 24 Mar 2017 at 20:33

N19h7m4r3 said:
Never mind less issues on launch than x99 had. Most of the RAM issues are already sorted out, took Asus near 6 months to do that for my x99 Deluxe.

Plus some X99 boards had VRMs that cooked themselves. People tend to forget or ignore those issues it seems.

Asus RVE was the culprit. As was the Asus CH6 the culprit for my burned 1700X........

Lokken86 · 24 Mar 2017 at 20:40

TNA said:
Intel. He has come to hate anything AMD it seems

That said, if all one does with PC is game and general browsing and wants best performance today, then Intel would be the way to go. However I never look at things like that. Way I would see it is, a CPU will last me 4-5 years so I will take that into account and the answer would be obvious then, Ryzen

I have had my 4770K just shy of 4 years now. It still has another year or so in it before it get relegated to my second PC however. Then I will buy a Zen+ 7nm CPU in 2018/9

I'll agree there. I have a limited wallet so I wouldn't be buying the latest and greatest every time it came out. My cpu has to last and be good to power whatever gpu I have for the foreseeable future and that's where I only see Intel's quad cores slipping further and further behind.

"relegated" haha.

Oh and that's not just because It's an AMD cpu. I'm seeing it happening with my current 3570k and I'm thinking "Why didn't I just get the 3770k!"