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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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EVGA - warranty goes with you. Plus looking just at 1080Thais looks like an easy £100+ saved. So yeah, seems worthwhile. Plus where I would buy it from would likely have UK support too. BE that Rainforest or the OldSmegg site.
I would happily buy from OCUK, but if im going over there anyway at the time I'm looking to buy. makes sense.

Problem is EVGA don't do AMD cards....

I would look into that and make sure as I've had little to no luck with some products due to buying from the Italian/Germany rainforest and mrk had an absolute nightmare with his LG 34" monitor (bleed issues) due to buying it via the German rainforest.
 
The costs of manufacturing will be pretty low. Initial pricing adds amounts in to try and recoup R&D costs. They will be have been recovered.

As production goes on, it gets better and therefore production costs decreases.

If you think nVidia can't reduce a £450~ product by £70 else they'll start making a loss, then you are absolutely suggesting that they are quite expensive to manufacture.

If you're suggesting that multiple parties take sell it on with a 20% margin, then you seem to be under the impression that these cost £200+ to manufacture.

When nVidia drops prices, they give rebates directly to their resellers. So they take the hit themselves. So money coming off the bottom is the best place for it be coming off as nVidia will be taking the largest slice of the sale cost anyway.
 
The costs of manufacturing will be pretty low. Initial pricing adds amounts in to try and recoup R&D costs. They will be have been recovered.

As production goes on, it gets better and therefore production costs decreases.

If you think nVidia can't reduce a £450~ product by £70 else they'll start making a loss, then you are absolutely suggesting that they are quite expensive to manufacture.

If you're suggesting that multiple parties take sell it on with a 20% margin, then you seem to be under the impression that these cost £200+ to manufacture.

When nVidia drops prices, they give rebates directly to their resellers. So they take the hit themselves. So money coming off the bottom is the best place for it be coming off as nVidia will be taking the largest slice of the sale cost anyway.

No I am suggesting that they will have a target % of mark up they need to recover per unit based on total expenditure including R&D, marketing, support etc. It isn't just the cost of manufacture. The total cost per unit though to cover the rest of the overheads on that product line need to be taken into account.

I worked for a company that produced an item that in raw material costs around £18 and we sold it for £110 a unit. However due to R&D, Marketing, Testing, Approvals required, Distribution, Support, Expected Damages/Loss the profit left was around £30 a unit and that was with us distributing direct. Now you then sell them via a third party distributor who want to take a cut but you can't price them higher than what you sell direct and by then we was left with a £15 profit per unit.

Now unit sales increased by them holding stock and having a larger distribution system in the UK than ourselves but it doesn't leave a lot. I think people under estimate how much everything adds up and what the cost is and how it breaks down on a per unit basis.

Now we take into consideration that currently it costs per unit £80 to do all that, leaving them £120 in profit per unit. Now you are on about taking £70 off that. £50 per unit then becomes quite a small number.

Of course the profit margins for the lower tier units are less and the higher tear units are more since a lot will be the same process with the same costs but just sold at a premium for having a better binned chip. Still profit is made by vast quantities of units sold not small quantities with high margins.

If you want the high margin profit then clothing, specifically items such as high end suits for instance can have huge markups. Where my mother used to work they often had a mark up of around 500%.

Side note: Other notable mark up items;
Popcorn in a theater, their mark up can be 1000% onward
Prescription drugs that are between 500-3000%
The cost of a text message equates to 6000% mark up on pay as you go

The tech market though is not a high markup place.
 
Call me cynical but that suggests to me that they don't have a single card that will match the 1080Ti. Hence the need to create that to "BE FASTEST" (Even though most of us know thats just Xfire.

could be bang on, could be a fact that they can make the chip extremely cheap some how and can stick two on on PCB to make up the power.

wouldn't happen but picturing on release day a Vega with 2 cores for the Price of a 1070. even if one chip matched its performance and cost was about the same, if Xfire games worked you'd be laughing. Doubt this will happen but you just never know.

be like a buy one get one free haha
 
so they are going to try and compete with the 1080 Ti then.

:p

It will be for marketing purposes. Same as the Pro-Duo. So they can make posters that say "Worlds fastest Graphics Card". Even though it is prohibitively expensive, needs a huge PSU, and only works in some titles. People won't really buy it. They just want to be able to say they have the fastest graphics card.
 
It will be for marketing purposes. Same as the Pro-Duo. So they can make posters that say "Worlds fastest Graphics Card". Even though it is prohibitively expensive, needs a huge PSU, and only works in some titles. People won't really buy it. They just want to be able to say they have the fastest graphics card.

never say never, you have an itx system (AMD or Intel) with a Freesync QHD+ 144HZ+ screen. one Vega may do but dual chip card would work a treat if games support two chips.
not saying it's ideal but there will always be a market for something. Why have have Hyper cars in the UK that cant go over speed bumps, pot holes and 30mph roads hahaha
 
never say never, you have an itx system (AMD or Intel) with a Freesync QHD+ 144HZ+ screen. one Vega may do but dual chip card would work a treat if games support two chips.
not saying it's ideal but there will always be a market for something. Why have have Hyper cars in the UK that cant go over speed bumps, pot holes and 30mph roads hahaha
True, I just always buy to the lowest common denominator. If there is a chance the card will only work on one GPU (loads of my fav games are in Unity for example). Then I view it simply as a 1 GPU card. and in that case they come out silly expensive.
 
No I am suggesting that they will have a target % of mark up they need to recover per unit based on total expenditure including R&D, marketing, support etc. It isn't just the cost of manufacture. The total cost per unit though to cover the rest of the overheads on that product line need to be taken into account.

I worked for a company that produced an item that in raw material costs around £18 and we sold it for £110 a unit. However due to R&D, Marketing, Testing, Approvals required, Distribution, Support, Expected Damages/Loss the profit left was around £30 a unit and that was with us distributing direct. Now you then sell them via a third party distributor who want to take a cut but you can't price them higher than what you sell direct and by then we was left with a £15 profit per unit.

Now unit sales increased by them holding stock and having a larger distribution system in the UK than ourselves but it doesn't leave a lot. I think people under estimate how much everything adds up and what the cost is and how it breaks down on a per unit basis.

Now we take into consideration that currently it costs per unit £80 to do all that, leaving them £120 in profit per unit. Now you are on about taking £70 off that. £50 per unit then becomes quite a small number.

Of course the profit margins for the lower tier units are less and the higher tear units are more since a lot will be the same process with the same costs but just sold at a premium for having a better binned chip. Still profit is made by vast quantities of units sold not small quantities with high margins.

If you want the high margin profit then clothing, specifically items such as high end suits for instance can have huge markups. Where my mother used to work they often had a mark up of around 500%.

Side note: Other notable mark up items;
Popcorn in a theater, their mark up can be 1000% onward
Prescription drugs that are between 500-3000%
The cost of a text message equates to 6000% mark up on pay as you go

The tech market though is not a high markup place.


Great post.

To highlight some of the costs, nvidia spent $3 billion developing Volta and they supposedly spent around 2-3billion on Pascal. Sure, that 1080ti might have $200-250 of material costs but the R&D alone is massive.
 
https://videocardz.com/69424/amd-to-hold-a-press-conference-on-may-31st

Computex 2017 is fast approaching so we wanted to share a save-the-date for the AMD press conference, scheduled for May 31st from 10 a.m. – 11 a.m.

Hosted by AMD CEO, Dr. Lisa Su and other key AMD executives, you will have the opportunity to hear more about the latest products and leading-edge technologies coming from AMD in 2017. The past year has seen AMD bringing innovation and competition back to the high-performance desktop market with the release of Ryzen™ processors and we look forward to providing new details on 2017 products and the ecosystems, both OEM and channel, that will support them.

Vega release date incoming?
 
Great post.

To highlight some of the costs, nvidia spent $3 billion developing Volta and they supposedly spent around 2-3billion on Pascal. Sure, that 1080ti might have $200-250 of material costs but the R&D alone is massive.

Nvidia is a totally different company compare to AMD and even Lisa su has said in her earning call to stop comparing them Nvidia and there R&D budget. Lisa also mentioned that they will take a different market and path compare to Nvidia.


R&D is the backbone for tech companies ,however, in 2016 AMD has lay off many western engineers and hired many Chinese engineers to work on VEGA because they have a very short R&D.

Some people think in this forum that , god like slides, twitter trolls, hate marketing, and fantasizing is better than capital, investment and R&D.
 
Nvidia is a totally different company compare to AMD and even Lisa su has said in her earning call to stop comparing them Nvidia and there R&D budget. Lisa also mentioned that they will take a different market and path compare to Nvidia.


R&D is the backbone for tech companies ,however, in 2016 AMD has lay off many western engineers and hired many Chinese engineers to work on VEGA because they have a very short R&D.

Some people think in this forum that , god like slides, twitter trolls, hate marketing, and fantasizing is better than capital, investment and R&D.

What has what you are saying about AMD and Nvidia got to do with the profit margin and being able to drop the price of Nvidia products to react to AMD releasing a product.

No one is suggesting the budget is the same, actually if anything your point helps state that because Nvidia can pump in more R&D where AMD can't then that could be part of the reason that Nvidia products are higher in price as they want to maintain the same profit margin but have spent more to start with.
 
Nvidia also has design centres in China:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_23389.html


BEIJING, CHINA AND SANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA—JUNE 21, 2005—NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA), a worldwide leader in graphics and digital media processors, today announced the opening of its representative office in Beijing, China.

The new office will be responsible for marketing, sales promotion, customer service, and technical support in China, and will complement existing NVIDIA offices and design centers in Shenzhen, Shanghai, and Hong Kong.
 
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