AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

melmac · 24 May 2017 at 15:54

Seriously guys, there is a monitor section on the forum.

Nexus18 · 24 May 2017 at 16:03

I blame all the users above!

With regards to monitor/tv/3d:

TNA said:
Maybe consider just buying it as a TV only and not as monitor. Will keep you happy for 3 years until what you want comes out? If I was not super happy with my LG Plasma TV I would consider picking it up myself now to use as TV.

I also make use of my plasma only being 1080p as I can easily play certain games on it if my gpu is struggling at 4K on my monitor. Plus it is nice to play games like Street Fighter V on it and soon Tekken 7. My Nano will be able to deal with both those games maxed out easily to maintain a rock solid 60fps

It would be for gaming too. Would love to get a new freesync 34" 100+HZ monitor but I refuse to pay **** take prices for old basic LCD tech.

Happy enough with my pana. plasma TV for tv shows and 16.9 films but it isn't as nice for games + burn in is a big problem with plasma.

I just want the very best IQ you can get for everything!

AllBodies said:
If you're very bothered about 3D movie watching, wait till VR headsets are about 10,000x5,000 (5000x5000 per eye) or above. That'll be around 4K TV quality, but REAL 3D. In that you'll actually be seeing 2 images at slightly different angles, as in real life.

True that.

N19h7m4r3 · 24 May 2017 at 16:06

Only 6 days 23 hours, 54 minutes and 2 seconds until AMD's Computex Event!

Bring on Veeeega!

MyBrainz · 24 May 2017 at 16:09

Are we done with the monitor talk now? And other off topic talk.. its wasting my time and lots of others time having to skim through this thread.. jeez

chroniclard · 24 May 2017 at 16:17

MyBrains said:
Are we done with the monitor talk now? And other off topic talk.. its wasting my time and lots of others time having to skim through this thread.. jeez

There is literally nothing to talk about yet anyway.

Nexus18 · 24 May 2017 at 16:21

chroniclard said:
There is literally nothing to talk about yet anyway.

This.

Like I said earlier, there is probably only about 20 pages of this thread with actual worthwhile vega discussion/information

When vega does get released officially, a new thread will be needed anyway.

MyBrainz · 24 May 2017 at 16:27

Well if theres nothing to talk about then why are people still talking? Surely users need to be respectful and talk about 'other' stuff in a relevant thread instead of wasting others time by making them trawl through this mess.. its just something i thought people would do around here as were all a polite lot :rolleyes:

chroniclard · 24 May 2017 at 16:34

Its all loosely relevant to Vega.

old gamer · 24 May 2017 at 16:39

nashathedog said:
Errr ?!? I do now...

Not everyone suffers from lag, I don't think it bothers me but I haven't had a monitor past 5ms so I don't know for sure,
If lag isn't an issue iit'll be ideal for a game like CS:GO where you can easily keep the fps above 52 and in the Freesync range,
Do you have it capped to 75?

for cs go on both monitors i turned freesync off with no frame limits, i seem to get on better with this

akarypid · 24 May 2017 at 17:42

Freddie1980 said:
7nm, it's all marketing it won't be a true 7nm process. The 14nm/16nm Nvidia and AMD are using are just a 20nm process with Finfett transistors which somehow they can claim is 14/16nm.

Names aside (as X nm means nothing anymore) the IBM/GloFo process is expected to be just marginally better than Intel's 10nm (coming up now).

AllBodies · 24 May 2017 at 17:48

Freddie1980 said:
7nm, it's all marketing it won't be a true 7nm process. The 14nm/16nm Nvidia and AMD are using are just a 20nm process with Finfett transistors which somehow they can claim is 14/16nm.

akarypid said:
Names aside (as X nm means nothing anymore) the IBM/GloFo process is expected to be just marginally better than Intel's 10nm (coming up now).

Also while the names are misleading, they're kind of not wrong in that they do have self-consistency.

i.e. TSMC's 16nm performs more than 2x better than its own 28nm, and is also less than half the size.

and GloFo's 7nm process is less than half the size of its 14LPP process.

So although it's not really 7nm, it does give you roughly what you'd expect going from '14' to '7'.

LoadsaMoney · 24 May 2017 at 17:50

Vega HBM 2 8GB memory stack costs $160

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43731-vega-hbm-2-8gb-memory-stack-cost-160

AllBodies · 24 May 2017 at 18:11

LoadsaMoney said:
Vega HBM 2 8GB memory stack costs $160

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43731-vega-hbm-2-8gb-memory-stack-cost-160

I tried to look up the costs of 11GB GDDR5X, but couldn't find anything.

LoadsaMoney · 24 May 2017 at 18:35

N19h7m4r3 said:
Only 6 days 23 hours, 54 minutes and 2 seconds until AMD's Computex Event!

Bring on Veeeega!

Actual cards could be another 6 months away yet.

N19h7m4r3 · 24 May 2017 at 18:36

LoadsaMoney said:
Actual cards could be another 6 months away yet.

Been spending too much time on wccft, you're starting to sound like their chat. How long before you start posting racist anti amd memes?

LoadsaMoney · 24 May 2017 at 18:46

N19h7m4r3 said:
Been spending too much time on wccft, you're starting to sound like their chat. How long before you start posting racist anti amd memes?

D.P. · 24 May 2017 at 18:52

AllBodies said:
I tried to look up the costs of 11GB GDDR5X, but couldn't find anything.

Likely around $50-70. 8Gb for the 1080 at around 40-50?

There is also the interposer costs and the additional manufacturing steps required.

AllBodies · 24 May 2017 at 19:02

D.P. said:
Likely around $50-70. 8Gb for the 1080 at around 40-50?

There is also the interposer costs and the additional manufacturing steps required.

I guess that might seem about right. Most people expecting Vega to cost more to make than a 1080 Ti. So if it's like ~$100 more per card, probably not too far off the mark.

Nvidia are certainly having a good time charging ~$700 for a 471 mm2 part without HBM.

D.P. · 24 May 2017 at 19:16

AllBodies said:
I guess that might seem about right. Most people expecting Vega to cost more to make than a 1080 Ti. So if it's like ~$100 more per card, probably not too far off the mark.

Nvidia are certainly having a good time charging ~$700 for a 471 mm2 part without HBM.

What most people don't seem to realize that each new fabrication node is increasing R&D costs by at least a factor of 5 so you can't really compare costs based on die size alone. The 471mm GP102 die costs many time more to produce than the Maxwell GM200 die that was around 600mm^2.

Development costs are exploding

AllBodies · 24 May 2017 at 19:50

D.P. said:
What most people don't seem to realize that each new fabrication node is increasing R&D costs by at least a factor of 5 so you can't really compare costs based on die size alone. The 471mm GP102 die costs many time more to produce than the Maxwell GM200 die that was around 600mm^2.

Development costs are exploding

Yeah but the demand for product is too, so it's balancing fairly well.