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AMD Zen 2 (Refresh) 3900XT/3800XT/3600XT

I am thinking of upgrading my 2700X to a 3900XT. Later on when the 4000 series is released I will move this over to my partners PC and drop a 4000 series in mine. Are we expecting the 3900XT to be around £500?
 
Richdog said:
I really can't understand why anyone in their right mind would upgrade to one of these CPU's...
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Who said anything about upgrading? My other half has a 2600X so I'd jump straight to a XT model if I upgraded her. I don't have a Ryzen system at all, so I too would jump directly to an XT if I was building anew. There is more to a purchase and system than purely upgrading.

And yes, Zen 3 will likely eclipse these refreshes, but Zen 3 desktop is 9 months away.
 
LePhuronn said:
Who said anything about upgrading? My other half has a 2600X so I'd jump straight to a XT model if I upgraded her.
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Umm... what you wrote makes no sense. You ask 'who is talking about upgrading' and then mention that 'if you upgraded your gf then you would get an XT'?

By upgrading I mean anyone going from anything (Intel or AMD) to an XT makes no sense. Better to either buy a 3600/3700x when the prices drop due to the refresh, or if you can simply wait for Zen3.
 
Still on x370 boards here and the refresh could be a good upgrade for the family PC's. Have 3 Ryzen pcs...... 2700x, 2600, 1600........so a upgrade for me leaves the kids with "free" upgrades and a left over Ryzen 1600 to upgrade my aging media server. :)
 
Richdog said:
Umm... what you wrote makes no sense. You ask 'who is talking about upgrading' and then mention that 'if you upgraded your gf then you would get an XT'?

By upgrading I mean anyone going from anything (Intel or AMD) to an XT makes no sense. Better to either buy a 3600/3700x when the prices drop due to the refresh, or if you can simply wait for Zen3.
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With zen I don't think it matters much, after all, the xt will hold better value upon resale. The most important thing with zen release seems to be your motherboard and ram choice. You can chop and change the CPU. You could buy 3800xt on release and keep until 12/24 4000 series is cheap and still have a decent pc years ahead. I just don't get people skimping on the mobo and ram unlike with Intel, where it matters less.

It's almost certain that some people on a cheaper board or one that's poorly supported will be annoyed come 4000 release. How many people is anyone's guess but for the sake of a bit extra now, I'm not sure I'd chance it.
 
Drollic said:
With zen I don't think it matters much, after all, the xt will hold better value upon resale. The most important thing with zen release seems to be your motherboard and ram choice. You can chop and change the CPU. You could buy 3800xt on release and keep until 12/24 4000 series is cheap and still have a decent pc years ahead. I just don't get people skimping on the mobo and ram unlike with Intel, where it matters less.
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The XT will not hold value... it will be redundant shortly after it is released. I don't see how anyone can think it represents a smart buy when the performance difference over the CPU's they replace is so minimal and yet the price will likely be 20-30% higher (after the priced drop on the old ones).

Mobo and RAM I agree should not be skimped on as you generally change them a lot less than CPU's and they are important for some overclocking.
 
Richdog said:
The XT will not hold value... it will be redundant shortly after it is released. I don't see how anyone can think it represents a smart buy when the performance difference over the CPU's they replace is so minimal and yet the price will likely be 20-30% higher (after the priced drop on the old ones).

Mobo and RAM I agree should not be skimped on as you generally change them a lot less than CPU's and they are important for some overclocking.
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No cpu holds original value, you could buy 3800x on deal for a fair chunk less than rrp not that long after release if you shopped about. The gap in price was reduced compared to 3700x. Where do you draw the line... 4000 will be redundant given it's the last of ddr4. Might as well hold out for ddr5 platform. The way intel is going, 4000 could be more expensive. You could argue it's pointless to then have any 4000 series when the xt release is enough and will be reduced.
 
i wonder whether there will be a 5nm refresh before DDR5 - could AMD shrink the cores to 5nm, then when they move to DDR5 just add a new I/O mem controller?
 
NinjaCool said:
So AMD just got most of Huwae's canceled 5nm chip orders... talk about being on the winning team! :eek:
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With Huawei gone AMD are now one of TSMC's main customers, that brings favouritism benefits, Apple and Qualcomm are still bigger but AMD have taken Huawei's place in the priority rankings.
 
Richdog said:
The XT will not hold value... it will be redundant shortly after it is released. I don't see how anyone can think it represents a smart buy when the performance difference over the CPU's they replace is so minimal and yet the price will likely be 20-30% higher (after the priced drop on the old ones).

Mobo and RAM I agree should not be skimped on as you generally change them a lot less than CPU's and they are important for some overclocking.
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The XT chips might hold price as they will be the highest end parts for a lot of motherboards and the last of the DDR4 range.
 
jigger said:
The XT chips might hold price as they will be the highest end parts for a lot of motherboards and the last of the DDR4 range.
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Maybe you have your CPU parts or names confused. Zen3 are also socket AM4 and will be the last of the DDR4 range. :)
 
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