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AMD Zen 2 (Refresh) 3900XT/3800XT/3600XT

Troezar said:
Agreed, these aren't the CPU's we're looking for ;) It does bode well for Zen 3.
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The other thought is that if these DO have lower power draw and thermals due to better binned parts, the 3600XT (or even the others) could be very tasty for some small HTPCs or other similar form factors with more restrictive airflow/cooler capabilities where more oomph over the 3300x/3100x are desirable, but the original (cheaper) 3600 might have been a touch too toasty. (Or those somewhat mad AMD AM4 desktop in a laptop solutions).

If Apple is willing to cram 8700's et al into Mac Minis and people build small ITX boxes and NUCs with similar cooling issues, and they sell, then there is obviously a market for this sort of portable/miniaturised but powerful market, where cooling volume is at a premium (and also PSU output capability). These new, better binned chips may be perfect (and very desirable) for this market segment. Look at the power usage and temperatures of 3950X and extrapolate that down to a much smaller chip with the corresponding lower power usage and heat draw and I'm sure you can immediately see where I am going here.

Same reason Xeons are so popular in the seconds HTPC and ITX market, as they're better binned and run cooler so can often be put in a smaller case or trusted to run ok with a stock Intel cooler where the i7 equivalent would end up throttling or running just way too hot.
 
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I think will be more interesting is how well they boost. I have my eye on a 3900XT to replace my 2700X with. If they do an all core around 4.5GHz+ then I will probably bite, I am expecting price to be around £450. When 4000 series come, I will give the 3900XT to my partner and take a shiny new chip :p
 
MG42Maniac said:
I think will be more interesting is how well they boost. I have my eye on a 3900XT to replace my 2700X with. If they do an all core around 4.5GHz+ then I will probably bite, I am expecting price to be around £450. When 4000 series come, I will give the 3900XT to my partner and take a shiny new chip :p
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I suspect the 3900XT is going to be nearer £540 than £450...
 
eeek said:
I suspect the 3900XT is going to be nearer £540 than £450...
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Yeah, that that price I think I will give it a miss!

Journey said:
Well if it is anything like the last R5 3600 I had really well, it was a week 8 2020 model and did 4.4GHz (all core) with ease at 1.225v, that was on a cheap B450 MSI board.
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That is what I am hoping with these newer chips. The IPC is already decent, they just need to increase the clockspeed.
 
humbug said:
Unless these are like Ryzen 2000 vs Ryzen 1000... a refresh that ended up being significantly faster CPU's these prices are stupid.
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Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 2000 wasn't significantly faster at all.
The IPC gain was pretty nil and we achieved about an extra 200MHZ on all core speeds.

This is looking pretty much the same bar no IPC improvement.
 
It will be interesting to see what the all core boost (out of the box) will be on the new parts along with any improvement to potential all core overclocks.

If all we end up with is a slight boost to the single core (max) boost along with a ~£50 price bump then it really will nullify the point.
 
humbug said:
Then i'll say they need to about 10% faster across the board.....
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Well the 2XXX didn't achieve that over the 1XXX, so we can't expect more from this refresh lol.

I'm not too fussed about this refresh, I just hope we get more than just this though for the year. But this is AMD, I mean it's kind of funny that they released the 5700XT and never followed it up with a "flagship" part and we're a year down the line.
 
I'm hoping AMD has done some small optimizations here and there that adds a boost together with the small clock bump we are getting in.
I am looking at the 3800XT for a possible upgrade together with a B550 board but I want to see just how good these XT models are first :)
 
oweneades said:
It will be interesting to see what the all core boost (out of the box) will be on the new parts along with any improvement to potential all core overclocks.

If all we end up with is a slight boost to the single core (max) boost along with a ~£50 price bump then it really will nullify the point.
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I'm looking at the 3600XT and thinking that's too close to the 10600K.

Looking at Rain Forest bestsellers list its the 3600 (None X) that's been the No: 1 seller at between $160 - $180 solidly since it existed, the more expensive 3600X is often not even in the top 12.

AMD know their own sales figures, at this price they can't see these as replacements for their bestsellers, which are the 3600, 3700X and 3900X, hopefully what they are doing is trying to clear old stock before dropping these down to more normal AMD pricing, having said that this was the pricing structure of the 3600X, 3800X and 3900X when they launched.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Still interested in a 3800XT once the prices settle a little, on the basis that it can hold 4.5ghz or more on all cores.
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My 3800X runs 4.4 all cores in Project cars 2, so 4.5 all core on the XT shouldn't be difficult. -At least, not with a "normal" work load like gaming. I would expect heavy work loads to pull down clocks.
 
Twinz said:
My 3800X runs 4.4 all cores in Project cars 2, so 4.5 all core on the XT shouldn't be difficult. -At least, not with a "normal" work load like gaming. I would expect heavy work loads to pull down clocks.
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The problem with that is its 100Mhz, or 2.5%. there needs to be something else in these refreshed CPU's other than a small clock speed bump, they need to be more than margin of error faster to make any sense at all..
 
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