AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[haszek]

I have a 1440p Freesync Monitor, might have a look at a Freesync 4K HDR TV though, afaik only Samsung make them currently?

I thought Samsung TV's nowadays have some kind of Game Mode, which is actually very good (can't remember what it's called, this feature). Unfortunately it doesn't work with Freesync at the same time, so you have to choose one or the other. But from one of the reviews I heard it's a tough choice to make (not in favor of freesync). Not done a full research though.

 

[SiDeards73]

1440p Freesync is supported with the one X

Yep, but my monitor is only 27", I have a 58" 4k HDR TV to play Xbox on but not against replacing it with a nice 4k HDR freesync TV.

 

[Panos]

Yep, but my monitor is only 27", I have a 58" 4k HDR TV to play Xbox on but not against replacing it with a nice 4k HDR freesync TV.

no no. I have an NU8000 not changing it for XbX gaming. (until OLED freesync/vrr )

 

[Zeed]

Would be happier if it is a little bit more

Prepare to be disappinted then. 13% 'IN SPECIFIC TASKS' so i expect to see 4.5 on all cores with 10% ipc boost. Thats in reality department not wishful thinking .

So My bet for top spec 3000 series is 12 cores at 4.5 and 10% more IPC.
I'm very interested what they use for new IMC Zen and Zen+ use same one with small tweeks on zen+. Some 3600cl14+ would be nice can run it now but pass 3466cl14 negative impact in performance :/

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Just saw about the 13% IPC increase on Hexus, so we're looking at about 20% increase overall maybe a little more. Wonder if that means in everything, if it's just specific tasks then it could be lower in many things.. We'll have to wait a bit longer and see. Still a bit away from the claims of 5ghz from before though, but at least it should still be a good increase over last chips if it's 4.5ghz turbo minimum for all cores.

 

[Zeed]

Just saw about the 13% IPC increase on Hexus, so we're looking at about 20% increase overall maybe a little more. Wonder if that means in everything, if it's just specific tasks then it could be lower in many things.. We'll have to wait a bit longer and see. Still a bit away from the claims of 5ghz from before though, but at least it should still be a good increase over last chips if it's 4.5ghz turbo minimum for all cores.

I'm thinking 4.5 after OC on all cores taht would be 250mhz jump from Zen+ . At lest thats what sample is like 4.0 base 4.5 boost on 1 core so if we throw extra jiuce get this baby to 250w power draw i think we can work with 4.5 on all cores.

 

[SiDeards73]

Im thinking we will see 4.2 base 4.6 boost on the 3700X but a really good IPC Uplift. It will surpass Intels current and new offering the 9900k quite handily, and i dont think Intels 1st 10nm chip will be better performance than the 9900k either. They will need a refresh before that happens at which point i expect to see a refresh of the 3700X which will be even faster.

 

[chroniclard]

Healthy IPC gain and a modest ghz boost will do fine.

 

[pieman109]

Just had a very quick skim read of this thread and I'm surprised no body has mentioned possible price of these new cpus. The way I see it, if amd can get these cpus up to 4.5, 4.6 ghz, or whatever with the hoped for 10% increase in IPC, and manage to keep the price differential between the next gen ryzen and the appropriate/equivalent Intel offering (I'm looking at around 6c/12t and 8c/16t here which appears to be about mainstream) then AMD are on to a winner. My way of thinking, its all down to price to the consumer, if its too expensive, consumers will/might be prepared to stump up the extra for the Intel offering.

 

[DragonQ]

Just had a very quick skim read of this thread and I'm surprised no body has mentioned possible price of these new cpus. The way I see it, if amd can get these cpus up to 4.5, 4.6 ghz, or whatever with the hoped for 10% increase in IPC, and manage to keep the price differential between the next gen ryzen and the appropriate/equivalent Intel offering (I'm looking at around 6c/12t and 8c/16t here which appears to be about mainstream) then AMD are on to a winner. My way of thinking, its all down to price to the consumer, if its too expensive, consumers will/might be prepared to stump up the extra for the Intel offering.

Of course. The way AMD are manufacturing smaller dies and stitching them together with infinity fabric means they should be able to keep costs down but we'll see.

 

[beany_bot]

Does anyone know if 7nm Zen will have the same "limitations" (not sure that is a fair word) regarding memory speeds? As in, Memory speed and die is really rather important for getting the best out of the chip.

 

[Panos]

Just had a very quick skim read of this thread and I'm surprised no body has mentioned possible price of these new cpus. The way I see it, if amd can get these cpus up to 4.5, 4.6 ghz, or whatever with the hoped for 10% increase in IPC, and manage to keep the price differential between the next gen ryzen and the appropriate/equivalent Intel offering (I'm looking at around 6c/12t and 8c/16t here which appears to be about mainstream) then AMD are on to a winner. My way of thinking, its all down to price to the consumer, if its too expensive, consumers will/might be prepared to stump up the extra for the Intel offering.

Consider this. 1950X had a BOM cost $175...

 

[DragonQ]

Does anyone know if 7nm Zen will have the same "limitations" (not sure that is a fair word) regarding memory speeds? As in, Memory speed and die is really rather important for getting the best out of the chip.

RAM speed is important in certain applications (e.g. gaming), partially because infinity fabric speed is tied to RAM speed. That's not the only factor though since Skylake and friends also benefit from faster RAM in gaming, albeit to a lesser degree.

We have no idea yet whether they'll retain this relationship between RAM speed and infinity fabric speed (seems likely) or whether they'll be able to improve supported RAM speeds.

 

[beany_bot]

RAM speed is important in certain applications (e.g. gaming), partially because infinity fabric speed is tied to RAM speed. That's not the only factor though since Skylake and friends also benefit from faster RAM in gaming, albeit to a lesser degree.

We have no idea yet whether they'll retain this relationship between RAM speed and infinity fabric speed (seems likely) or whether they'll be able to improve supported RAM speeds.

Thanks. It's a shame but it's something that has put me off buying Ryzen a bit. Not so much the RAM speed (easy to buy RAM a certain speed) but the particular nuances of the exact die and such you should be buying. And the retailers saying "you need this exact RAM kit" and gouging the hell out of it. Just all a bit messy and put me off tbh.

 

[Drollic]

Does anyone know if 7nm Zen will have the same "limitations" (not sure that is a fair word) regarding memory speeds? As in, Memory speed and die is really rather important for getting the best out of the chip.

Looks that way if you want the best performance. You would however imagine that 3200 with decent timings to be pretty much plug n play straight away with no issue given support was improved at zen+ stage compared to original zen. It's not like 100% new platform from the ground up now. At worst possibly a Bios update.

Around £300-325 at 4.6 clocked for 8/16 with 5-10% ipc gain would be great.

 

[LePhuronn]

Thanks. It's a shame but it's something that has put me off buying Ryzen a bit. Not so much the RAM speed (easy to buy RAM a certain speed) but the particular nuances of the exact die and such you should be buying. And the retailers saying "you need this exact RAM kit" and gouging the hell out of it. Just all a bit messy and put me off tbh.

It's not quite that bad with Ryzen 2, and Ryzen 3 should improve things even more. IPC gains would be nice of course, but if the internal gubbins surrounding the IMC and IF are made even better then we'll see overall more improvement even if IPC and ALL TEH GIGAHERTZZZ remain the same.

 

[Panos]

Thanks. It's a shame but it's something that has put me off buying Ryzen a bit. Not so much the RAM speed (easy to buy RAM a certain speed) but the particular nuances of the exact die and such you should be buying. And the retailers saying "you need this exact RAM kit" and gouging the hell out of it. Just all a bit messy and put me off tbh.

Is not that bad mate. Buy this one. Is cheap and works with even Ryzen 1

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-10y-gs.html
Add little power and OC to 3400C14, otherwise 3200C14. No need to spend twice as much for a 3200C14 "approved" ram.

I have it;s 3600C16 version running on the old Ryzen 1800X, all way back in April 2017! at 3600C15 without issue!
Currently I have tie 3600C16 version running 4000C15 with the 8600K.

 

[Boot_Loop]

Had no issues with memory from the start (3200Mhz Crucial kit was pulled out of my X99 Intel build and dropped into my Ryzen+ build no problem).

As for the latest 13% IPC rumour, let's put that together with the engineering sample that had a boost of 4.5Ghz. Final silicon should boost to at least 4.7Ghz you'd hope. If so, the 3700X is going to be a monster, and will wipe the floor with the hot and power hungry 14NM+++ relic 9900K

 

[Zeed]

Had no issues with memory from the start (3200Mhz Crucial kit was pulled out of my X99 Intel build and dropped into my Ryzen+ build no problem).

As for the latest 13% IPC rumour, let's put that together with the engineering sample that had a boost of 4.5Ghz. Final silicon should boost to at least 4.7Ghz you'd hope. If so, the 3700X is going to be a monster, and will wipe the floor with the hot and power hungry 14NM+++ relic 9900K

I hoped Fury X will be overclockers dream
I hoped Vega will be faster than Volta

AMD is Hope factory

People Hoped Zen+ will be 4.4-4.5 also

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I hoped Fury X will be overclockers dream
I hoped Vega will be faster than Volta

AMD is Hope factory

People Hoped Zen+ will be 4.4-4.5 also

Well it turbos to 4.35GHZ so close enough. Not bad on a secondhand Samsung process node made for mobile phones instead of Intel's 14NM+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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