AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[harney]

is anyone running a 3700x or 3800x on a b350 ? b350-f in particular. If so hows it running ?

got two systems with the b350 tomahawks beta bios both running with the 3700x fine with 3200 gskill @3200 stock xmp... cpu boosts and temps are all good same for vrm however i do get some boosts going higher then 4.4Ghz @ 4.52 and this is with PBO disabled which i find strange

managed to push the mem to 3600 but do need more time to test stability on that.. running far better then the 2700x did with that mem at that speed be lucky if it would post ... I am stuck with these boards as i need good old legacy PCI but there both running great so all good .. even on win 7 too ..but i am in the process of migrating everything to Win 10

did a build for a friend with a x570 board with 3700x ...placed in my mem and gfx just to bench vs one of my b350 ...bench results came out the same nothing in it..

 

[Zeed]

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Not sure its just GAMING bet it rolls over in just CB20 run BUT looks like 3800 are Better bin @majestynl You swapped from 3700x to 3800x and said it clocks much better. Got some numbers for the guys ??

 

[Zeed]

4.45GHz here.

*** The Official OCUK Cinebench R20 benchmark Thread ***

Running 4.35 24/7 though.

You got FANTASTIC 3900x My weak core Dies in cb20 around 4375 but let me check with new settings :]
You tried aida stress test ??

@Martini1991 we just worse chips. My cpu can do /ccx 4.4 4.4 4.35 4.375 cb 20 stable i can drop extra 200mv no difference

 

[opethdisciple]

The 8 Pack 3600MHz ram. Most people say the timings are 16 16 16 36

I'm trying to overclock my 3200MHz ram to those speeds, but I have 5 sets of numbers to put in (current timings 14 14 14 14 31)

So I put 16 16 16 16 16 36 @ 3600MHz. I assume that's correct?

 

[Panos]

FYI ESO which is very CPU single core heavy game, runs fine on the 3900X.
My boost clock is around 4350 briefly, but I get more FPS with the V64 and the 5700XT in towns compared to 8600K @ 5Ghz.
Eg Vulkhel Guard which is my go to place used to get 48fps-50fps tops, now getting 55fps minimum and 60fps maximum.

A 8700K @ 5Ghz with 2080Ti, does around 48-50fps in towns also.

 

[Orange Nexus]

The 8 Pack 3600MHz ram. Most people say the timings are 16 16 16 36

I'm trying to overclock my 3200MHz ram to those speeds, but I have 5 sets of numbers to put in (current timings 14 14 14 14 31)

So I put 16 16 16 16 16 36 @ 3600MHz. I assume that's correct?

Yes,

tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, and tRAS.

Try 3600 CL14 if it boots. Might need to increase vcore. Actually, i recommend baby steps from 3466 CL14, 3533 CL14 . . .

Use Aida64 and check Mem Latency.

 

[opethdisciple]

Yes,

tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, and tRAS.

Try 3600 CL14 if it boots. Might need to increase vcore. Actually, i recommend baby steps from 3466 CL14, 3533 CL14 . . .

Use Aida64 and check Mem Latency.

When you say try C14 do you mean leave the settings at DOCP which would be 14 14 14 14 31 and set frequency to 3600MHz?

 

[Orange Nexus]

When you say try C14 do you mean leave the settings at DOCP which would be 14 14 14 14 31 and set frequency to 3600MHz?

Yes, but may have to add voltage a bit. If 3466 Cl14 works, it might be better than 3600CL16.

 

[Orange Nexus]

delete

 

[Zeed]

FYI ESO which is very CPU single core heavy game, runs fine on the 3900X.
My boost clock is around 4350 briefly, but I get more FPS with the V64 and the 5700XT in towns compared to 8600K @ 5Ghz.
Eg Vulkhel Guard which is my go to place used to get 48fps-50fps tops, now getting 55fps minimum and 60fps maximum.

A 8700K @ 5Ghz with 2080Ti, does around 48-50fps in towns also.

It's Cache amount had same situation when moved from 5820k to 1700x and Wow in theory list single core performance but Wow ran better and smoother

 

[Skynet5]

So in conclusion which chip is best to get for a gaming build?

 

[Zeed]

So in conclusion which chip is best to get for a gaming build?

I'd say 3700x is price sweetspot depends if ya want to pay extra 6whatever for 100mhz max MAYBE on 3800x

 

[Panos]

So in conclusion which chip is best to get for a gaming build?

Tough choice. If you want 8 core, 3800X could have been my choice. At £379 is £80 over the £299 3700X I could justify the better silicon. Otherwise 3700X is the better bargain.
Personally got a 3900X @ €500 (£450) and happy with my choice, until September which is going to be given to my brother as a gift and replaced with a 3950X.

 

[Zeed]

Tough choice. If you want 8 core, 3800X could have been my choice. At £379 is £80 over the £299 3700X I could justify the better silicon. Otherwise 3700X is the better bargain.
Personally got a 3900X @ €500 (£450) and happy with my choice, until September which is going to be given to my brother as a gift and replaced with a 3950X.

how does yours clock ?? at what max speeds can you pass cb20 ?? with sensible volts after vdrop aka 1.337

 

[BoomAM]

Really interested to see AMD can bump up clock speed by a notable amount in the refresh next year.

Why is anyone caring about the clock speeds? At all?
As long as the performance is there i couldn't care less if it runs at 1Mhz or 10Ghz.

I have the X570 Taichi, BIOS 1.6 with 4 x 8Gb rated at 3600 (16-16-16-36) but it's not stable at that speed. It boots to windows but performance is choppy and eventually it'll crash and reboot. Currently running ok at 3200 (14-14-14-34) but if it turns out to be unstable I'll fiddle with it a bit more. Will experiment more as BIOS updates get released.

No problems at all, my sons 3900x and his 4 sticks of c14 tridentz have been perfect, not had one issue or crash. Considering he’s been hammering it too in this recent heatwave is great too. All stock cooling.

Interesting to see the comparison of yes/no here...

 

[Panos]

how does yours clock ?? at what max speeds can you pass cb20 ?? with sensible volts after vdrop aka 1.337

Haven't tweaked mine yet :/
Just played bit with settings like set ram to 3533 and IF to 1767, High Power profile in windows with minimum 1% and maximum 100%.

Haven't tweaked the CPU yet.


I use a Noctua D15. While waiting for EK stuff to watercool everything

 

[Zeed]

Haven't tweaked mine yet :/
Just played bit with settings like set ram to 3533 and IF to 1767, High Power profile in windows with minimum 1% and maximum 100%.

Haven't tweaked the CPU yet.


I use a Noctua D15. While waiting for EK stuff to watercool everything

what mem Kit You got ?? Youy tried My settings ??

New calculator by Yuri on monday bu. Some settings for ya. Get ProODT down. Zen2 is different likes sub 40ohm setting im on 36.9 or something

 

[Panos]

what mem Kit You got ?? Youy tried My settings ??

New calculator by Yuri on monday bu. Some settings for ya. Get ProODT down. Zen2 is different likes sub 40ohm setting im on 36.9 or something

Ripjaws V 3600C16 from 3y ago
Best investment ever On the 8600K had it at 4133C17 at 1.4v.
And when got the initial 1800X with the CH6 board back in 2017, worked straight away at 3600C15 when everyone else couldn't work over 3000Mhz

I will give it a try in the morning and let you know how it goes.

 

[smilingcrow]

Why is anyone caring about the clock speeds? At all?
As long as the performance is there i couldn't care less if it runs at 1Mhz or 10Ghz.

You have missed the context I think which is...
Zen 3 seemingly is a refresh so don't expect much of an IPC boost.
So that leaves a clock speed boost as the better option for a performance bump.
So a perfectly reasonable observation in this context whereas yours, not so much.

 

[BoomAM]

You have missed the context I think which is...
Zen 3 seemingly is a refresh so don't expect much of an IPC boost.
So that leaves a clock speed boost as the better option for a performance bump.
So a perfectly reasonable observation in this context whereas yours, not so much.

Not really an observation, more of a comment.
The context was gotten, i was replying on the simple fact that people are getting hung up on higher numbers.

The point in these chips, why we all do this, is better performance. More fps in games, quicker renders, etc.
Whilst i dont disagree that for marketing high numbers would be nice, at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, if AMD released the next Zen at the same clock speed but it was 20-30% quicker, would we really care?
Whatever way performance comes we'll either laud AMD for improving clocks, laud them for getting more performance per clock, or criticise them for missing out on keeping their momentum going.
People who get hung up on bigger numbers, need to calm down and take a step back, as long as we get the performance, the methods are moot.

Lastly, the attitude given was not constructive to the conversation.