AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[DylRicho]

From following the thread, am I right in saying if the CPU doesn't hit one of the limits such as thermal, it will keep boosting until it hits a limit?
So would a good water cooling setup like this be beneficial over a large air-cooler?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alph...water-cooling-kit-complete-kit-wc-08g-ac.html

You would think so, given how AMD talks, but the reality is that any decent air cooler will get the same amount of performance out of the chip that an all-in-one liquid cooler will get. The only things a liquid cooler will get you that might be beneficial depending on where you live, are lower idle and load temperatures.

 

[Zeed]

That tool isnt HCI memtest tho, unless there is some new version of HCI I am unware off.

Its "dang wang v2.5" whatever that is.

Yes You are unaware of the professional HCI memtest luncher everyone that spends hours on memory testing is using it makes life EZ with optuion of having screenshots taken on error or every % you desire 2 and do system shotdown/stop testing after % of yours liking gets compled on every lunched instance of the program. I'm using DAILY 4 different memory testing programs

sayng that Gskill is kinda dodgy using CRACKED version of HCI memtest that is in 2.5 hahaha

This is 2019 version REQUIRES purchasing HCI Memtest Pro

There are more people like me that spend MORE TIME playing memory timings than actually playing any games on a pc

 

[alec]

From following the thread, am I right in saying if the CPU doesn't hit one of the limits such as thermal, it will keep boosting until it hits a limit?
So would a good water cooling setup like this be beneficial over a large air-cooler?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alph...water-cooling-kit-complete-kit-wc-08g-ac.html

GamersNexus did a video studying boost clocks with up to subzero cooling. https://youtu.be/g94rNe4XSGU?t=538
Keeping temperatures under 60C improves (multicore) boost a bit

 

[Orange Nexus]

From following the thread, am I right in saying if the CPU doesn't hit one of the limits such as thermal, it will keep boosting until it hits a limit?
So would a good water cooling setup like this be beneficial over a large air-cooler?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alph...water-cooling-kit-complete-kit-wc-08g-ac.html

Depends on the sku too i guess. Can hardly find 3600 boost past 4.2GHz but i've seen the X version boost past 4.4GHz. I think same story with the 3700X compared to the 3800X.

 

[Scooby-DoobyDoo]

MSI are completely missing any BIOS updates since Ryzen 3000 launch.
There's been complete radio silence except for "we're launching MAX versions of some of our B450 and X470 boards...at some undefined point in time."

Updated Bios from Tuesday: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/b450-tomahawk (Tomahawk)

MSI on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/ce3ift/msi_b450_tomahawk_update/

 

[humbug]

You have to turn all that crap on, i'm not at home right now, work computer, when i get home i'll have a look and see if i can help you with some screen shots.

@Illuminist

Click on the highlighted buttons.

Works with all 3 modes, PBO, Auto OC and Manual.

 

[Illuminist]

@Illuminist

Click on the highlighted buttons.

Works with all 3 modes, PBO, Auto OC and Manual.

Gotcha. I managed to get a 4.1 all core auto with a 4.35 single core auto oc. But my ram is proving a bugger to set right.
Ideally I need to manually set the cores as I don't care for power saving at all.
I tried the ram calculator and thought it was working but then it froze and has to start all over again.

 

[Tnaik44]

Is 4350mhz all cores at 1.3v considered a good result for 3900x on 280m aio ?

 

[Martini1991]

Is 4350mhz all cores at 1.3v considered a good result for 3900x on 280m aio ?

Aye.

 

[Illuminist]

Is 4350mhz all cores at 1.3v considered a good result for 3900x on 280m aio ?

Are you manually overclocking it? If so can you guide me oh wise one

 

[humbug]

Gotcha. I managed to get a 4.1 all core auto with a 4.35 single core auto oc. But my ram is proving a bugger to set right.
Ideally I need to manually set the cores as I don't care for power saving at all.
I tried the ram calculator and thought it was working but then it froze and has to start all over again.

RAM is very finicky, it depends on so many variables, ram calculator should be seen as a rough guide, keep at it

Is 4350mhz all cores at 1.3v considered a good result for 3900x on 280m aio ?

Yeah not bad at all.

 

[rallyslag]

In HWMotitor which tmpin is for the chipset (x570 taichi) . Bios is saying it is at 62deg.

 

[humbug]

In HWMotitor which tmpin is for the chipset (x570 taichi) . Bios is saying it is at 62deg.

How many tmpin do you have that you don't know what they are?

You might be able to figure that out, for example.....

 

[Illuminist]

How many tmpin do you have that you don't know what they are?

You might be able to figure that out, for example.....

Okay I got the ram stable, if only 3000mhz.
What's the best way for an all core oc, with no regards for power saving?

 

[rallyslag]

How many tmpin do you have that you don't know what they are?

You might be able to figure that out, for example.....

I do not know what any of them are and i have 5 to choose from . All i want is an acurate way to monitor the chipset when not in bios. all my google searches have lead no where.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

Looks like I bought a dead motherboard.
No power going through it.
Tested PSU using PSU tester, and it is fine.

 

[humbug]

Okay I got the ram stable, if only 3000mhz.
What's the best way for an all core oc, with no regards for power saving?

I run mine at stock because the CPU its self seems to do a better job of boosting its self than i do overclocking, unless i use above safe volts.

It looks like this isn't quite true for higher end Ryzen 3000, and its complicated.

If a CPU core is being used but is not under high load, like the worker thread in a game it will boost that core as high as it will go, and because that core is not under a lot of stress there isn't a lot of electrical current going into it, the CPU knows this, so it knows it can pump a lot of volts into that core to clock it high, and that's what it will do, as much as near 1.5v.

Now, if you try and pump near 1.5v into a core under high stress, a high electrical current load, it will burn it out, so that core will be lower clocked with at most 1.35v.

So this is the conundrum, what do you do with your PC? if all you do is game then 1.4v should be ok, if you do encoding, rendering and / or compiling, all these are high stress loads, then you shouldn't set more than 1.35v

Some higher end ones will do 4.4 or so Ghz on just 1.35v or less, in which case your getting about the most it would boost to anyway, so it might be worth it, if you can only get 4.2Ghz on 1.35v then its probably best just to leave the CPU to do its own thing, you would get better results.

I do not know what any of them are and i have 5 to choose from . All i want is an acurate way to monitor the chipset when not in bios. all my google searches have lead no where.

Those tmpin things are different on every board type, you would need to find someone with the same board who knows what they are, ASRock Redit, a larger forum like OC.net or the ASRock forum http://forum.asrock.com/default.asp

 

[Illuminist]

I run mine at stock because the CPU its self seems to do a better job of boosting its self than i do overclocking, unless i use above safe volts.

It looks like this isn't quite true for higher end Ryzen 3000, and its complicated.

If a CPU core is being used but is not under high load, like the worker thread in a game it will boost that core as high as it will go, and because that core is not under a lot of stress there isn't a lot of electrical current going into it, the CPU knows this, so it knows it can pump a lot of volts into that core to clock it high, and that's what it will do, as much as near 1.5v.

Now, if you try and pump near 1.5v into a core under high stress, a high electrical current load, it will burn it out, so that core will be lower clocked with at most 1.35v.

So this is the conundrum, what do you do with your PC? if all you do is game then 1.4v should be ok, if you do encoding, rendering and / or compiling, all these are high stress loads, then you shouldn't set more than 1.35v

Some higher end ones will do 4.4 or so Ghz on just 1.35v or less, in which case your getting about the most it would boost to anyway, so it might be worth it, if you can only get 4.2Ghz on 1.35v then its probably best just to leave the CPU to do its own thing, you would get better results.



Those tmpin things are different on every board type, you would need to find someone with the same board who knows what they are, ASRock Redit, a larger forum like OC.net or the ASRock forum http://forum.asrock.com/default.asp

Hmmm i see. I can't seem to wrap my head around all the bios options as there are 2 settings for pbo that are identical in two seperate parts of the bios.
I just want to set it to boost normally then I guess. Which I thought I have done now.

But when I search in the Windows search I can't type anything anymore, if i click the search icon i can type, but nothing at all appears. Which screams of something not right with my settings

 

[Tnaik44]

Are you manually overclocking it? If so can you guide me oh wise one

Yes manually ocing , auto barely reach 4100mhz all core with 1.35v+ lol.
What i did is first disabling PBO completly in bios and any sort of auto OC , i put SOC voltage to 1.2v, cpu volt to 1.3v, cpu clock ratio to 43.5 and enable my ram d.o.c.p which is 3200cl16.
I reach 69-70c after 4hours of AIDA64 stability test, and barely reach 40c while gaming.
My cinebench r20 score is 7654.
What is interesting is even when i reach 70c my aio radiator is not even warm lol.
I might try 4400mhz all core 1.35v but i m not sure its worth it.

 

[Phil Smith]

Hmmm i see. I can't seem to wrap my head around all the bios options as there are 2 settings for pbo that are identical in two seperate parts of the bios.
I just want to set it to boost normally then I guess. Which I thought I have done now.

But when I search in the Windows search I can't type anything anymore, if i click the search icon i can type, but nothing at all appears. Which screams of something not right with my settings

What board are you using? Be sure not to confuse Precision Boost with Precision Boost Overdrive as they are two different things.