Caporegime
Can you explain it one more time please for those that don't want to trawl through the thread !
No bugger off
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Yep, I use -0.1v offset and get better performance in multithreaded scores (the same for single) plus much lower temperatures.
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Gigabyte are king of X570 VRM layouts. ASUS I prefer for their BIOS. Gigabytes BIOS are still ****.
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Honestly the 1% on Intel would be more worrying.
Also highlights that he does more negative work on AMD than Intel. He's done some on Intel but usually has a bunch of excuses in there, whereas with AMD he just rants like the video that got him in hot water.
Soldato
Agree @TrixX , I like some of his videos but not subbed and now this has caught attention reminds why I dont consider him that great.
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I'm not sure this is entirely true. When my voltage was set automatically to be 1.1v, the CPU would still experience fluctuating voltages below that level where the 1.1v wasn't needed. The problem I saw with setting a voltage that low was that the CPU would never boost to a clock that couldn't be sustained at that voltage.
Caporegime
I much prefer Paul’s Hardware. He seems a nice knowledgable guy.
Soldato
The dram calc isn't magically gonna make your IF go faster. I will say that's a hard hardware limitation. If you chip cant do it it cant do it. You will know what it can do when you stop experience issues.
Mine is 1800MHz. Any more and I get audio corruption in windows and rebooting.
Mine is 1800MHz. Any more and I get audio corruption in windows and rebooting.
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Considering Der Bauers findings on ABB BIOS that less than 30% of 3800X chips could reach a single core boost of 4.5Ghz it would be a golden sample chip indeed that could run all cores at that speed #SiliconeLotteryWinner
I have one that can bench at 4.5GHz, see signature.
Caporegime
Thats not very nice humbug, to be honest, you dont know how it works yourself, I didnt say it before as I was been polite.
The idle 1.5v is absolutely nothing to do with the boost algorithm by the way.
I never said JayZ got it completely right, but I agree with him that cpu's shouldnt be idling at 1.5v. If I remember right you was claiming there was nothing wrong with the old broken amd scheduler right even when amd themselves issued a fix? One way to identify a shill is when he still defends something that even the company acknowledges as broken.
As a reminder the basis of my comment is when I left my 2600x idling overnight on remote desktop and all that time it was at 1.4+ volts. I also explained that it had an operational effect, higher temps and power draw, when I moved the system to the microsoft scheduler. It worked properly.
However where jayz got it wrong is looking at the voltage in the bios, in every modern bios I have used they idle at load voltages. So seeing 1.5v in the bios in that regard is not broken as bios's dont utilise power saving modes, no cstates or pstates.
He also got it completely wrong by diagnosing the bios as been broken without doing any kind of cpu or board swapout first.
My 2600x will use XFR voltage in bios if thats enabled, but interestingly it uses the all core voltage not single core, which is different to what jayz was seeing, perhaps that is what threw him off. I assume either msi or AMD have made a change on ryzen 3000 series so the load on the chips is different in the bios.
Now AMD specs say volts up to 1.5v are within normal parameters. However they also said the following on reddit.
1.5v is within specification, the chips are designed to burst up to this voltage as and when load demands require it.
Thats a bit different to having a chip sit at 1.5v 24/7.
It is a bit like a car that is rated up to a certain amount of revs but its not designed to run at those revs 24/7.
My opinion is no one's chips are going to blow up, they will all probably easily last out warranty periods. But at the same time I think the 1.5v idling is perhaps a bug, also the AGESA update's issued are unusual practice for a released cpu product. Which was the basis of my beta comment (alongside the scheduler patch).
I agree with hardwareunboxed on the comment, but whats interesting about hardwareunboxed is he consistently gets better bench results on amd hardware than other reviewers. Plus makes a lot of anti intel videos. I remember checking the 5700XT bench on hardwareunboxed and thought wow this is almost at 1080ti level. Then I checked other review sites and there was over a 10% differential.
I think jayz video was weird and was clearly a rant, as to what purpose I dont know, but when I said its good to not be hidden, is my belief is that if a reviewer has an issue with a product (even if he is wrong) he should be out in public with it. If a company then removes the freebies because of rant's then it shows up the company more than the reviewer in my opinion, are freebies only for positive public comments?
The problem as I always say, is reviewers are not impartial for the most part, the moment they get their first free kit or press event invite they are done for impartiality. Jayz it might be he has that bit of intel loyalty he wont let go, who knows.
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However this is a clear case of Jay not having a clue and instead of going to MSI and saying look I'm seeing something odd with this (like most people would with a faulty product), he made a video lambasting AMD and MSI making himself look like a total tit.
None of this little storm in a teacup would have occurred if he had done some basic due diligence on the products he was using. Such as how to OC the CPU and finding out why his whizzbang mobo wasn't whizzing and was banging too much.
The icing on the cake was just attacking everyone on Twitter and Reddit who for the most part were civil and pointing out his errors. There were a few being dicks but he's gonna attract that with the amount of subs he has.
Soldato
seems he didn't delete the posts in question - t'was the spam filter.....
Soldato
All the extra work and hassle defending the backlash. Bet he still wishes he never posted that video though.
Caporegime
I doubt it.
Hes openly said that if he has controversial content in his videos it generates more traffic towards him and his channel.
More traffic = more revenue for him.
Soldato
doubt it. as the poster above says really. it's the no publicity is bad publicity mentality.
i can't for 1 minute believe he doesn't know the operational characteristics of the R3K chips. maybe, just maybe, he forgot he was using a pre-production board but i imagine it was just a 'shout loud' video to attract attention, clicks and views. but then again i have a low opinion of most of these self appointed tech experts.