AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[LePhuronn]

However Intel will flex the undercut power next year

I'm not entirely sure they will. There was this big slide about "Intel's financial horsepower" basically just dick-swinging saying "oh look, we have more money than AMD", but I don't see Intel sucking up their arrogance and dropping their prices because they are a "premium brand". If Intel wanted to compete with AMD by undercutting then they'd have slashed Core 9000 under the equivalent Ryzen 6 and 8 cores now, not added even more moneys to the thrice-binned 9900KS.

And the Cascade Lake-X price cuts don't go far enough: tray price of $979 for the 18 core isn't sufficiently low compared to 3960X's superior 24 cores, and the W3175X monstrosity is still 3 grand. The only thing making it viable is the cheap board costs (which doesn't even apply to the Dominus Extreme and C621 Aorus Extreme).

 

[TonTom]

Doesn't seem like it.

That flash back seems to replace dual BIOS's.

I'm viewing it as it having been a matter of time before my Xonar stopped working compatibility wise, so I'll have to get an external DAC.

The problem is I've just bought a Sony OLED and new Vinyl for the bathroom so I'm skint

ASUS support still being rubbish is a bit of a worry. I had set my mind on the X570 Crossfire. It’s seems to offer far more than the Gigabyte master in terms of USB 3’s etc.

I also had issues with Xonars on ASUS bored years ago.

 

[Brutos]

I used to remember everyone saying that if you wanted the best, even if the best was only a little faster... you had to pay it.
So now AMD have the best HEDT chip by... well lets just say its a lot more than a little bit.. and everyone is going off on one about the pricing which is still less than Intels.
Then there is the socket change... yet Intel has spent the past decade plus changing sockets every 5 mins for no good reason and now AMD does it once to Threadripper and its like the sky has fallen.

Sigh.. they should just give these things away shouldnt they? i mean only Intel are allowed to charge good money for there chips... Nvidia want body parts for there overpriced crap.

This 1000%

 

[TrixX]

This 1000%

TBH I expected a socket change and don't begrudge it for Threadripper. Look at what the new chipset provides and it's pretty cool as a way to get new tech tested and ready.

A little disappointed I have no upgrade path, but at the same time not really, they look fantastic. Just means I postpone my ideas until Zen 3 or Zen 4

 

[welshrat]

Wouldn't bother.
Asus's support is terrible and there's threads on various forums with issues.

The "other" drivers for Xonar stuff is littered with issues about it too.

Asus don't even release new drivers for their Xonar cards or create an X570 section on their forum. Hell the Essence STX II didn't work from day one with the X570 by the looks of it on their boards.

Doubt it'll ever get to a point of a BIOS engineer.

I know its not the same card and I don't know your usages but the soundblaster Z series has a very competent DAC and I have no issues with using it on my ASUS X470, its far better than any on board I have ever heard.

 

[Martini1991]

I know its not the same card and I don't know your usages but the soundblaster Z series has a very competent DAC and I have no issues with using it on my ASUS X470, its far better than any on board I have ever heard.

I've been looking at getting the X7 . Seems perfect for my uses.

 

[welshrat]

I've been looking at getting the X7 . Seems perfect for my uses.

Looks very nice, and currently on offer at creative (no doubt cheaper elsewhere though)

 

[MegaPinches]

Anyone know much about spread spectrum? on my old board tomahawk max it looks like it was off as you would always get 100mhz fsb and 1800mhz on north bridge clock bang on. With my new gigabyte board its on by default and you end up with fsb 98.8 and north bridge 1796.8mhz. Ive turned it off and got the proper figures 100/1800, any advantage to having it on/drawbacks to having it off? Also in the bios the BCLK will be all over teh place sometimes saying its 104 and my ram is running at 3733 and all sorts when its not, whats going on with this?

comparing this x570 board looks like it has an extra cautious approach to default settings to me compared to my old MAX? 53.6 Proc ODT compared to 36.3, it overvolts cpu and ram slightly, speed spectrum on, is this the intention of gigabyte, just to make sure everything works? do these default settings change with bios updates.

 

[Illuminist]

Anyone know much about spread spectrum? on my old board tomahawk max it looks like it was off as you would always get 100mhz fsb and 1800mhz on north bridge clock bang on. With my new gigabyte board its on by default and you end up with fsb 98.8 and north bridge 1796.8mhz. Ive turned it off and got the proper figures 100/1800, any advantage to having it on/drawbacks to having it off? Also in the bios the BCLK will be all over teh place sometimes saying its 104 and my ram is running at 3733 and all sorts when its not, whats going on with this?

comparing this x570 board looks like it has an extra cautious approach to default settings to me compared to my old MAX? 53.6 Proc ODT compared to 36.3, it overvolts cpu and ram slightly, speed spectrum on, is this the intention of gigabyte, just to make sure everything works? do these default settings change with bios updates.

+1 to all of this, I wondered the exact same thing

 

[MegaPinches]

+1 to all of this, I wondered the exact same thing

Ive turned it off, getting more consistant benches now like on my previous board which were very tight to the same result everytime, ive just found this in the Tomahawk max manual;

Spread Spectrum (optional)This function reduces the EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) generated by modulating clock generator pulses.[Enabled] Enables the spread spectrum function to reduce the EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) problem.[Disabled] Enhances the overclocking ability of CPU Base clock. Importanty If you do not have any EMI problem, leave the setting at [Disabled] for optimal system stability and performance. But if you are plagued by EMI, select the value of Spread Spectrum for EMI reduction.The greater the Spread Spectrum value is, the greater the EMI is reduced, and the system will become less stable. For the most suitable Spread Spectrum value, please consult your local EMI regulation.Remember to disable Spread Spectrum if you are overclocking because even a slight jitter can introduce a temporary boost in clock speed which may just cause your overclocked processor to lock up

Odd its on by default on Gigabyte

 

[humbug]

Its on by default on my board too, i've turned it off.

 

[TNA]

I never touched mine as still not played with the BIOS just yet. Will give it a go soon and see if it makes any difference to my overclocking.

 

[MegaPinches]

I never touched mine as still not played with the BIOS just yet. Will give it a go soon and see if it makes any difference to my overclocking.

Certianly makes a difference to memory overclocking for me, timings that used to fail are sticking now.

 

[TNA]

Certianly makes a difference to memory overclocking for me, timings that used to fail are sticking now.

Lol. I wonder if that is why my ram was not working on xmp? Only was to fix it was to loosen tras a little. Corsair will be receiving the ram I sent them tomorrow, they may say nothing wrong with the ram. Lol. Not my fault thought, the ram is on the QVL and should work on default settings with the mobo.

Will let you know how I get on tomorrow. If you discover any other benefits tinkering in the bios, please let me know.

 

[MegaPinches]

Lol. I wonder if that is why my ram was not working on xmp? Only was to fix it was to loosen tras a little. Corsair will be receiving the ram I sent them tomorrow, they may say nothing wrong with the ram. Lol. Not my fault thought, the ram is on the QVL and should work on default settings with the mobo.

Will let you know how I get on tomorrow. If you discover any other benefits tinkering in the bios, please let me know.

Will do there tonnes to play about with in this gigabtye bios. Its only secondary timings Ive tested so far, anything but auto would chuck up errors within 20mins before, now it seems fine, Aida64 is yeilding better latency too by roughly 0.5ns consistantly. From the MSI description theres no reason to have it on. Only reason i couldn't find much about it before is that I was searching speed spectrum! not spread spectrum.

 

[Panos]

Oh well, Max Payne is awesome. It's one of the few old games I've gone back and replayed several times. Same goes for Half Life 2.
If these types of games don't run and AMD is saying they will no longer support older games then that's quite sad.

FYI The problem is with the game and someone has posted how to fix it.

 

[HeX]

Wow Ryzen 2 is not compatible with max payne games, just tried it and I confirm it crashes.

Nope, Max Payne just has a maths bug:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/dr5f0b/a_uniquely_ryzen_3000_problem_max_payne_2001/f6q2krp/

 

[TNA]

Will do there tonnes to play about with in this gigabtye bios. Its only secondary timings Ive tested so far, anything but auto would chuck up errors within 20mins before, now it seems fine, Aida64 is yeilding better latency too by roughly 0.5ns consistantly. From the MSI description theres no reason to have it on. Only reason i couldn't find much about it before is that I was searching speed spectrum! not spread spectrum.

Unfortunately it made no difference to my RAM issue. It still does not run on XMP. Only way for it to work is loosening tRas from 54 to 60. But hopefully will get a replacement kit sent by end of the week.

In regards to my fsb it went from 99.80 to 99.98. Not exactly 100.

Which Mobo and BIOS do you have and which CPU by the way? You have no sig and I cannot see. Chatting with so many people it is confusing who has what at times

 

[MegaPinches]

Unfortunately it made no difference to my RAM issue. It still does not run on XMP. Only way for it to work is loosening tRas from 54 to 60. But hopefully will get a replacement kit sent by end of the week.

In regards to my fsb it went from 99.80 to 99.98. Not exactly 100.

Which Mobo and BIOS do you have and which CPU by the way? You have no sig and I cannot see. Chatting with so many people it is confusing who has what at times

x570 Aorus Elite, latest F10c Bios, 3600, Ballastix Sport LT, Wierd, mine is bang on 100mhz or 100.1mhz when turning off spread spectrum. You mean tRC? I use 62 tRC because I can't use under 600 tRFC without errors and I heard tRFC ideally should be a multiple of tRC, so I use 620. Grab some Ballastix Sport 3200, amazing value, running it @ 3733 16-19-16-36-62, OC sell it now for 75quid.

 

[TNA]

x570 Aorus Elite, latest F10c Bios, 3600, Ballastix Sport LT, Wierd, mine is bang on 100mhz or 100.1mhz when turning off spread spectrum. You mean tRC? I use 62 tRC because I can't use under 600 tRFC without errors and I heard tRFC ideally should be a multiple of tRC, so I use 620. Grab some Ballastix Sport 3200, amazing value, running it @ 3733 16-19-16-36-62, OC sell it now for 75quid.

Yeah, I mean tRC. Sorry, so many names with RAM I got confused. Had to fire up CPU-Z to confirm

So basically you have exactly what I got, but different RAM. I have spent a lot of time with Corsair support. Will give them one my chance, third time lucky maybe. If not will grab something those maybe. What are they, B-Die?

My tRFC 560 at the moment and my tRC 60 and no issues.

By the way @Shac is going to be upset, I just matched his single core performance on Cinebench which means I take his 10th spot once again |