AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[humbug]

it doesn't bottleneck it but you could probably get another 5% out of it by getting a 4600X and that is being conservative.

In my mind that would be a bottleneck.

What CPU / GPU combo do you run?

I haven't made my mind up yet, the one thing i am assuming is that Ampre is going to be expensive, i'm not happy with AMD's driver situation right now and i'm looking to upgrade in a couple of months, around the £350 mark, so 2070/2070S The hope is that much closer to Ampre they will be a little cheaper, or maybe by some metrical AMD will have sorted their drivers out and i can get a 5700XT.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

But before 4-5 years you will likely need more cores though, as new consoles will have much better CPU’s so games may make use of this. If I was not going to upgrade for 4-5 years I would get a 4700X at the very least.

Each to their own but calling what I am doing stupid and what you are doing intelligent is the real stupid thing here, as for starters we may have different needs.

where did i say you were stupid?

"that's if you are building a gaming rig. for other uses you may want to maximise more to cpu and ram."

that is a direct quote from me. you are trying to teach me to suck eggs. maybe read my posts? you are regusrgitating what i said several posts ago

i also said in the main game i play i'm using 25% cpu usage.

therefore I don't see why a 4700X is going to be needed. the games i play aren't cpu intensive.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

In my mind that would be a bottleneck.

What CPU / GPU combo do you run?

I haven't made my mind up yet, the one thing i am assuming is that Ampre is going to be expensive, i'm not happy with AMD's driver situation right now and i'm looking to upgrade in a couple of months, around the £350 mark, so 2070/2070S The hope is that much closer to Ampre they will be a little cheaper, or maybe by some metrical AMD will have sorted their drivers out an i can get a 5700XT.

3600X and 2070 super

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/unigine-superposition-benchmark.18775328/

as you can see here i score 3802

another person using a 3700x and a 2070super scores 3571

so i'm getting around 230 more points from a 3600X because core speed is better than cores for gaming.

therefore for me the 4600X beats a 4700X for my usage. therefore it would be stupid for me to buy one for gaming. going to get a 4600X

 

[humbug]

3600X and 2070 super

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/unigine-superposition-benchmark.18775328/

as you can see here i score 3802

another person using a 3700x and a 2070super scores 3571

so i'm getting around 230 more points from a 3600X because core speed is better than cores for gaming.

therefore for me the 4600X beats a 4700X for my usage. therefore it would be stupid for me to buy one for gaming. going to get a 4600X

I thought Unigine was GPU not CPU heavy? you sure his GPU isn't just clocking a bit higher than yours?

Edit sorry the other way round, is your GPU not just clocking higher than his?

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I thought Unigine was GPU not CPU heavy? you sure his GPU isn't just clocking a bit higher than yours?

if it's clocking higher then why does he score less?

 

[humbug]

if it's clocking higher then why does he score less?

Yeah i realised my derpyness and edited my post.

Nvidia GPU's clock according to how cool they are, you can set two identical 2070S at 2100Mhz but if there is a 10c difference in temps one might actually run at that 2100Mhz while the hotter one only at 2000Mhz.

 

[MyBrainz]

The main reasons to go with an x570 is if you either need pcie 4 fast storage or you want a higher core count CPU 12+ or want to upgrade to one in the future. It will have very little impact on overclocking especially if running an all core OC on a 6 core cpu. How high the CPU clocks will be almost always CPU silicon lottery.

I have a 3900X happily sitting in my MSI X470 Carbon Pro AC. VRM temps usually in the low 60's under load when streaming or encoding. Also boosts to advertised speeds.

No need for X570 with 12+ core Ryzen CPU's

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yeah i realised my derpyness and edited my post.

Nvidia GPU's clock according to how cool they are, you can set two identical 2070S at 2100Mhz but if there is a 10c difference in temps one might actually run at that 2100Mhz while the hotter one only at 2000Mhz.

all cpu's impact the speed of the GPU.

take whatever the fastest CPU in the world is. put a 2060 super in with it. and it will score highly for a 2060 super. then increase the clock speed of the cpu by 200mhz and the score will increase. the 2 are linked. that doesn't mean it's a bottleneck.

all cpu's will have an impace on the gpu performance. even the best with the worst GPU.

 

[Joxeon]

I have a 3900X happily sitting in my MSI X470 Carbon Pro AC. VRM temps usually in the low 60's under load when streaming or encoding. Also boosts to advertised speeds.

No need for X570 with 12+ core Ryzen CPU's

I mean if your buying a new motherboard as I'm guessing you had the x470 then just upgraded the CPU, your generally not going to buy a new x470 and a ryzen 3000 chip then run the risk of needing an older gen CPU to upgrade the bios.

That said even some of the higher end MSI b450 boards are fine with higher core count CPUs.

 

[humbug]

all cpu's impact the speed of the GPU.

take whatever the fastest CPU in the world is. put a 2060 super in with it. and it will score highly for a 2060 super. then increase the clock speed of the cpu by 200mhz and the score will increase. the 2 are linked. that doesn't mean it's a bottleneck.

all cpu's will have an impace on the gpu performance. even the best with the worst GPU.

I don't want to get into an argument with you

But as i see it a GPU has a performance ceiling, if the GPU is running at 94% and you put a faster CPU with it and it now runs at 99% then the GPU was bottlenecked by 5%.
If the GPU is running at 99% and you droop a faster CPU with it its still only going to run at 99% and you're not going to get more performance from it.

If at any stage the GPU drops below around 99% - 98% to 97% you have a CPU bottleneck, even if its only drops to 94% it is a very slight bottleneck.

 

[MyBrainz]

I mean if your buying a new motherboard as I'm guessing you had the x470 then just upgraded the CPU, your generally not going to buy a new x470 and a ryzen 3000 chip then run the risk of needing an older gen CPU to upgrade the bios.

That said even some of the higher end MSI b450 boards are fine with higher core count CPUs.

Yeah i upgraded from a 2700X. Though some retailers will update the BIOS for Zen 2 from what i hear.

 

[TNA]

where did i say you were stupid?

"that's if you are building a gaming rig. for other uses you may want to maximise more to cpu and ram."

that is a direct quote from me. you are trying to teach me to suck eggs. maybe read my posts? you are regusrgitating what i said several posts ago

i also said in the main game i play i'm using 25% cpu usage.

therefore I don't see why a 4700X is going to be needed. the games i play aren't cpu intensive.

You said I have a stupidly expensive motherboard, you also said spending £200 on a board for a £200 cpu is stupid, which is what I gave done. What is that supposed to mean then? You want direct quotes? Here look:

I think your overclock works so well because you have a stupidly expensive board.

spending £200 on a board for a £200 cpu is stupid.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I don't want to get into an argument with you

But as i see it a GPU has a performance ceiling, if the GPU is running at 94% and you put a faster CPU with it and it now runs at 99% then the GPU was bottlenecked by 5%.
If the GPU is running at 99% and you droop a faster CPU with it its still only going to run at 99% and you're not going to get more performance from it.

If at any stage the GPU drops below around 99% - 98% to 97% you have a CPU bottleneck, even if its only drops to 94% it is a very slight bottleneck.

gpu's perform better with faster cpu's.

it doesn't matter what their usage is.

a gpu is only ever bottlenecked if the CPU is at 100% as then it's the cpu that can't cope. you're looking at it all wrong.

 

[Vulture]

Is my latency little bit high?

 

[Joxeon]

Is my latency little bit high?

What ram do you have?

 

[Vulture]

Flarex 3200 c14, XMP settings loaded,I didn't tweak anything.

 

[Twinz]

Is my latency little bit high?

Latency does look high for that speed/timing. The base clock (99.8) is a little off, but I don't know if that would hurt latency that much.

 

[Joxeon]

Flarex 3200 c14, XMP settings loaded,I didn't tweak anything.

Try using the ryzen dram calculator to help with overclocking and tightening timings, I have my 3200/14 ram running at 3800/16 and latency down from similar to what you have to now being 64.

 

[Vulture]

I will leave it at XMP settings, i'm just curious if it is normal latency for that ram and configuration.

 

[Vulture]

Latency does look high for that speed/timing. The base clock (99.8) is a little off, but I don't know if that would hurt latency that much.

What is the normal base clock? I'm using default bios settings for asus crosshair viii hero.