AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah would be a nice and cheap upgrade going from a 3600, when the 5000 series is out, to a 4700x and Frankenstein a rig based on the older 3600 parts then see what prices are like at the time for other components.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

A better upgrade would be is to wait until the 5000 series is out and grab a super cheap 4700X or 4900X. Then that would last a very long time.

Don’t see the point in going from a 3600 to a 4600 personally. Especially for me as I have an all core 24/7 4.4GHz OC. If I was to grab a early poor silicon of 4600 then I would end up with a small upgrade.

I think your overclock works so well because you have a stupidly expensive board.

I'm running a B350 still. I reckon if I was to spend £400 on a motherboard I could get my 3600X up to 4.6ghz oc but pointless spending £400 to gain 200mhz.

I don't care about cores. I care about how fast I can game at. Which uses 4 cores and sometimes 6 cores at best. I have no need for 8 cores. my cpu usage whilst gaming is as low as 25% in the main game I play.

so adding more cores for me would be a stupid thing to do.

again £100 to get a 4600X after I sell my 3600X is a no brainer. £100 for an extra 200mhz or 400mhz will be worth it. But not spending money on an 8 core or an X570 board.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

As amd said what chipsets will support the 4000 cpu's yet?

 

[robfosters]

As amd said what chipsets will support the 4000 cpu's yet?

Not officially, but I would think all of them with a bios update.

it’s the last AM4 CPU and they’re gonna want to sell them. If buying a new one means buying a new board, a lot of people, including me, would probably choose to just wait a year and upgrade to a platform that has a future.

 

[humbug]

I think your hatred of Steve from GamersNexus is mildly amusing.
Top tip. Stop watching their videos.

And miss out on the lol's?

 

[robfosters]

I think your overclock works so well because you have a stupidly expensive board.

I'm running a B350 still. I reckon if I was to spend £400 on a motherboard I could get my 3600X up to 4.6ghz oc but pointless spending £400 to gain 200mhz.

I don't care about cores. I care about how fast I can game at. Which uses 4 cores and sometimes 6 cores at best. I have no need for 8 cores. my cpu usage whilst gaming is as low as 25% in the main game I play.

so adding more cores for me would be a stupid thing to do.

again £100 to get a 4600X after I sell my 3600X is a no brainer. £100 for an extra 200mhz or 400mhz will be worth it. But not spending money on an 8 core or an X570 board.

Stupidly expensive? Since when has £180 been stupidly expensive?

 

[humbug]

Its an X570 AORUS ELITE isn't it? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html

Yeah, £183. not expensive.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Stupidly expensive? Since when has £180 been stupidly expensive?

your posting the price now when it's on offer. not when they came out on launch. he didn't buy one today but near launch. x570 boards go from £200-£600 so i picked the middle.

again my point still stands. spending £200 on a board for a £200 cpu is stupid.

for ever £ you spend on GPU you spend half on CPU and for every £ you spend on CPU you spend the same on the RAM and MOBO combined.

that's if you are building a gaming rig. for other uses you may want to maximise more to cpu and ram.

 

[robfosters]

your posting the price now when it's on offer. not when they came out on launch. he didn't buy one today but near launch. x570 boards go from £200-£600 so i picked the middle.

again my point still stands. spending £200 on a board for a £200 cpu is stupid.

for ever £ you spend on GPU you spend half on CPU and for every £ you spend on CPU you spend the same on the RAM and MOBO combined.

that's if you are building a gaming rig. for other uses you may want to maximise more to cpu and ram.

For me that’s a far too simplistic way of looking at it. There’s many variables involved when it comes to cost. I concede however, the pricing on the 570 boards was a bit messed up. If you wanted a new 570 board for a 3600, you simply couldn’t stick to that rule.

 

[Joxeon]

For me that’s a far too simplistic way of looking at it. There’s many variables involved when it comes to cost. I concede however, the pricing on the 570 boards was a bit messed up. If you wanted a new 570 board for a 3600, you simply couldn’t stick to that rule.

The main reasons to go with an x570 is if you either need pcie 4 fast storage or you want a higher core count CPU 12+ or want to upgrade to one in the future. It will have very little impact on overclocking especially if running an all core OC on a 6 core cpu. How high the CPU clocks will be almost always CPU silicon lottery.

 

[humbug]

I seem to remember @TNA saying that bought the board with longevity in mind, that he intends to replace the 3600 with a higher core count Ryzen 4000 using the same board.

That makes a lot of sense.

 

[robfosters]

I seem to remember @TNA saying that bought the board with longevity in mind, that he intends to replace the 3600 with a higher core count Ryzen 4000 using the same board.

That makes a lot of sense.

What are your plans when Zen 3 is released? New CPU, new CPU and board or skipping the lot and waiting for AM5?

 

[Twinz]

I bought an X570 board with plans to upgrade to the best 4000 CPU when the prices drop....and then I saw how bad the VRM cooling is on my Carbon.

However, it handles my 3800x with no problems (high 60's with a half-hour CB loop, good airflow in the case), overclocks RAM well, and runs games at 4.4mhz with no tweaking.

Hopefully, the 16-core 4000 series part is even more efficient than the 3000 series, and the Carbon can handle it.

 

[humbug]

What are your plans when Zen 3 is released? New CPU, new CPU and board or skipping the lot and waiting for AM5?

I'm skipping Ryzen 4000, i need a new GPU and a couple of other bits.

I work in 2 year cycles, CPU and stuff one year, GPU and bits the next.

 

[robfosters]

I'm skipping Ryzen 4000, i need a new GPU and a couple of other bits.

I work in 2 year cycles, CPU and stuff one year, GPU and bits the next.

Same here. I'm a gamer, and obviously will get a far better performance boost going from a 2070S to 3080Ti than 3000-4000 cpu. Might even skip the first iteration of the new platform.

 

[TNA]

Its an X570 AORUS ELITE isn't it? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57w-gi.html

Yeah, £183. not expensive.

Yeah and I got it for around that price also. He always likes to exaggerate

I seem to remember @TNA saying that bought the board with longevity in mind, that he intends to replace the 3600 with a higher core count Ryzen 4000 using the same board.

That makes a lot of sense.

Yep.

I think your overclock works so well because you have a stupidly expensive board.

I'm running a B350 still. I reckon if I was to spend £400 on a motherboard I could get my 3600X up to 4.6ghz oc but pointless spending £400 to gain 200mhz.

I don't care about cores. I care about how fast I can game at. Which uses 4 cores and sometimes 6 cores at best. I have no need for 8 cores. my cpu usage whilst gaming is as low as 25% in the main game I play.

so adding more cores for me would be a stupid thing to do.

again £100 to get a 4600X after I sell my 3600X is a no brainer. £100 for an extra 200mhz or 400mhz will be worth it. But not spending money on an 8 core or an X570 board.

I get what you mean about not needing more cores, I currently do not either. But do you plan on upgrading to 5600 and new mobo, ram etc the year after? That will be stupidly expensive also..

By the way, you say my overclock is likely because of my “stupidity expensive mobo” (was under £18x back in October actually) yet you consider upgrading from a 3600 to a 4600 very intelligent. Lol.

 

[humbug]

Same here. I'm a gamer, and obviously will get a far better performance boost going from a 2070S to 3080Ti than 3000-4000 cpu. Might even skip the first iteration of the new platform.

Exactly, the 3600 doesn't bottleneck a 2070S so i would have nothing to gain going Zen 3 anyway, i'll wait for the next generation of CPU's.....

Edit: i'll be getting a new GPU in the next couple of months.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yeah and I got it for around that price also. He always likes to exaggerate



Yep.



I get what you mean about not needing more cores, I currently do not either. But do you plan on upgrading to 5600 and new mobo, ram etc the year after? That will be stupidly expensive also..

By the way, you say my overclock is likely because of my “stupidity expensive mobo” (was under £18x back in October actually) yet you consider upgrading from a 3600 to a 4600 very intelligent. Lol.

no when i buy the 4600x it will cost me £100.

i will then use that system for 4-5 years. wait for AM5 prices to drop. wait for DDR5 prices to drop. then buy.

therefore i can maximmise AM4 for just £100 to give me another 5 years of life.

then i can wait for prices to drop. then pick up AM5 when cheap.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Exactly, the 3600 doesn't bottleneck a 2070S so i would have nothing to gain going Zen 3 anyway, i'll wait for the next generation of CPU's.....

it doesn't bottleneck it but you could probably get another 5% out of it by getting a 4600X and that is being conservative.

 

[TNA]

no when i buy the 4600x it will cost me £100.

i will then use that system for 4-5 years. wait for AM5 prices to drop. wait for DDR5 prices to drop. then buy.

therefore i can maximmise AM4 for just £100 to give me another 5 years of life.

then i can wait for prices to drop. then pick up AM5 when cheap.

But before 4-5 years you will likely need more cores though, as new consoles will have much better CPU’s so games may make use of this. If I was not going to upgrade for 4-5 years I would get a 4700X at the very least.

Each to their own but calling what I am doing stupid and what you are doing intelligent is the real stupid thing here, as for starters we may have different needs.