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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

SiDeards73 said:
Why? It's not like 8c/16t is being hammered in all desktop scenarios right now? If you need more then you should be on HEDT..

The minute 8c/16t is getting thrashed by your average game then it's time to get more cores..

Hell most people are still on 4c, its only recently that games started really making use of more cores and even now most still don't.

I don't see games going past 8c/16t level of performance for a good few years yet
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My primary goal is not games but overall experience with all applications, responsive Windows/browsers/YouTube 4K & 8K, etc.
I will be very dissapointed, I am not saying that the 8-cores will be weak but that the upgrade to another 8-core processor, is not a good enough perspective for me.
Because it is not a normal upgrade from an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 2700. In order to save the money, why not....

Look, if some people are upgrading from quad core, then definitely they must not miss it.
 
LMAO, Intel cant compete with this sort of tech yet, its just been mentioned recently that they brought the same glue that they accused AMD of using to glue the cores together in the 1st edition RyZens for their new Xeons, irony.

This is they Epyc chip, cant wait to see the mainstream AM4 part.

That looks like a very smug grin on Lisa Su's face :D

Get ready for Intel i7 10,7000000k 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ next sept.
 
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So we have the potential for 16 core Ryzen's and 32 core threadripper's next year.
Very exciting news on the CPU front.
 
4K8KW10 said:
My primary goal is not games but overall experience with all applications, responsive Windows/browsers/YouTube 4K & 8K, etc.
I will be very dissapointed, I am not saying that the 8-cores will be weak but that the upgrade to another 8-core processor, is not a good enough perspective for me.
Because it is not a normal upgrade from an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 2700. In order to save the money, why not....

Look, if some people are upgrading from quad core, then definitely they must not miss it.
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Your missing the point though, it can potentially be a huuuge upgrade going from Zen+ 2700x to Zen2 3700x

Currently your Zen+ cores are split between 2 dies where you get latency between them when threads need to move between them, and you are limited by a max speed of the chip say 4.35ghz..

Moving to 3700x yes your still on the same amount of cores but all on one die, the latency improvement alone will be big, especially as IF is so sensitive to such things. Then you add in the potential clockspeed improvement say a limit of 4.8ghz, and then add in the improvement of front end and other IPC gains...

Suddenly your potentially looking at moving to a massive unprecedented level of performance.. i mean crazily good increase.

I'd be tempted to say it would arguably be like going from a 2600k to a 8700k or something
 
SiDeards73 said:
I'd be tempted to say it would arguably be like going from a 2600k to a 8700k or something
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I've been watching the livestream and reading stuff in here and elsewhere since i got home from work. IF what amd says is true, this is a much much bigger jump than from a 2600k to an 8700K. I think it could be like going from E6600 to an 8800k. When you take into account the performance increase along with the core count increase, it's just massive.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Your missing the point though, it can potentially be a huuuge upgrade going from Zen+ 2700x to Zen2 3700x

Currently your Zen+ cores are split between 2 dies where you get latency between them when threads need to move between them, and you are limited by a max speed of the chip say 4.35ghz..

Moving to 3700x yes your still on the same amount of cores but all on one die, the latency improvement alone will be big, especially as IF is so sensitive to such things. Then you add in the potential clockspeed improvement say a limit of 4.8ghz, and then add in the improvement of front end and other IPC gains...

Suddenly your potentially looking at moving to a massive unprecedented level of performance.. i mean crazily good increase.

I'd be tempted to say it would arguably be like going from a 2600k to a 8700k or something
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The 2700 with Zen+ is one single die. 8 cores in two 4-core CCXs.

It would be like going from 2600K to 5775C max.
 
A closer look:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13561/amd-previews-epyc-rome-processor-up-to-64-zen-2-cores

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Two chiplets look smaller than a Ryzen CPU or APU!!
 
4K8KW10 said:
The 2700 with Zen+ is one single die. 8 cores in two 4-core CCXs.
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And the 3700 could be a single 8-core CCX, which is the point SiDeards73 was making. Same number of cores yes, but massively reduced latency because there's no hopping between CCXs.

And if I'm honest, I'm not sure I understand your issue with the 3700 "still" being 8 cores. It's taken Intel this long to finally bite the bullet and move past 4 cores, so only now are we likely to see software, games and Windows properly utilise multiple cores become commonplace. That'll be good for all existing Ryzen chips and the Core 9000s and give everything a bit of longevity as they're properly utilised to their maximum. But if you still need more cores, then why aren't you on X299 or Threadripper?
 
ToonarmY87 said:
As someone about to go 2700x and x470 mobo these new chips will still be compatible on this mobo?
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Yes no reason why not, they should have pcie 4 support on board the CPU, but you won't see any pcie 4 GPU for a while, so they will slot right in I assume.

I imagine we may get x570 and b550 at the same time as well adding native pcie 4 sockets. AMD may well bring out Navi on 7nm and pcie 4.

I intend to buy whatever is the best x#70 mobo is available once the 3700x lands, hopefully it will be x570 with PCIE 4, so I'm ready for their high end 7nm gpu for gaming as I imagine that is going to be pcie 4 also.

They said the motherboard for the Rome Epyc CPU had pcie 4 on it, so I assume from that the 7nm Vega instinct they showed off was pcie 4.

Which leads me to think consumer desktop will also have the same as you can still run pcie 3 on it anyhow.

They will steal the march on Intel there as well, when Nvidia etc release their pcie 4 cards I'm betting only AMD have a motherboard and CPU ready on release day to support them. AMD may well release a pcie 4 consumer GPU before Nvdia also.
 
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