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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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If AMD can somehow manage to match the i9 gaming performance on an 8/12/16 core chip then great, I'll get one... otherwise I'll be waiting for Ryzen 4xxx. I still think above 8 core will be largely useless to anyone purely wanting gaming performance, unless they keep all the high clocking parts for the 12/16 core chips. Then effectively we'll be buying more expensive CPU's for the raw GHZ and the added cores will be largely useless in gaming as they will be sat idling.
Perhaps not. If the spec leaks are accurate, a single high-clocking 8-core chiplet would end up in the Ryzen 5 3600X so we have an 8 core CPU with a 4.8GHz boost. 2 of those chiplets would go into the Ryzen 9 3800X for a 16 core CPU with 4.7GHz boost. It would only be the godlike silicon that goes into the (suspected) anniversary edition 3850X. High-clocking 6-core chiplets would go into the 12 core Ryzen 7s.
Extensive binning of the chiplets gives great versatility in how the CPU SKUs are constructed, so AMD won't be confined to just saying "the very best silicon goes into EPYC and desktops get the duds" since those high-clocking 6 and 8-core chiplets would be wasted on EPYC, but does give us high-clocking Ryzen parts across the mid and top-tier SKUs.
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I just want a minimum of 8 cores so I can game and have other stuff going on in the background with no detrimental effect and high clock speed. A 5.0ghz 8 core would be fine... although I'd likely get the 12/16 just so I'm not having to upgrade for a while, then the devs can play catchup to utilise these extra cores. Certainly exciting times for the CPU space though, even something performing as well as a 5.0ghz 7700k for gaming I'd be happy with.
"Those bad, evil, AMD supporting people are making rational assumptions again. I'll add some irrational fud that I'll later claim were there words, not my butt hurt hysterics"
We both know that double cores and a clock speed increase makes 1800 to 3900 quite reasonable. We also both know double in games won't happen except on heavily threaded gaming engines. There's no need to be obtuse.
Getting annoyed about perfectly reasonable speculation because it makes your preferred vendor look bad is already quite silly, no need to spit your dummy out completely about it, dear chap
8C 16T pulls 2057 in Cinebench. Not hard to compute that out to ~4100 at similar clocks with 16C 32T.
I don't think Cinebench is 100% linear in scaling so expect ~3900 at the same clocks. Given my ThreadRipper does 3572 @ 4.1GHz you can extrapolate that at 4.5GHz it's ~3920. Give that a 15% IPC boost and you're at ~4500. Scale that from 4.5GHz to 5.0GHz and you end up with ~5000. So to suggest 3900 is really quite tame considering the potential according to the information released.
All based on simple maths and extrapolating from the information we do have. Seeing as we do know there's going to be a 16C SKU now you may enjoy looking forward to AMD having something competitive on release
You have to be trolling at this point, can't believe you haven't been banned from this thread.
No, but that's irrelevant to Dg.
why do people like you who cant debate just try and call for a ban ? such lameness. just cause you dont agree with the post.
look at what i replied to 80 percent difference with just magical made up statements. so why not just make other up stuff ? my statement of it being x2 as fast holds as much water as 80 percent as quick. quick maths. lol. how can you do maths without the numbers at hand to prove what people are saying ? its just all make believe. until we see actual figures. yet people cry when you say that its made up. you cant just say the new cpus are this percent faster and not expect to say how do you know this ? when you have no idea.
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No one is crying. Everyone is left to speculate based on the limited information provided and there are varying degrees of effort being put into each speculation. That's the opposite of you grossly exaggerating expectations and then setting an unrealistic bar that you can later point to and say "see! it didn't get there!" That's disingenuous and not adding anything to the conversation.
As a 9900k owner who has zero intentions to upgrade, I'm quite excited by Ryzen 2 as AMD is pushing the market forward. In only a few years, Intel's gone from resting on their laurels to pushing out 8 core CPU's that scale to 5ghz. AMD has a large part to do with that. As a consumer on a lengthy upgrade cycle, hell yeah to that!
Competition doesn't have to be about picking a team. It's about watching companies compete with quality products for our money. At the end of the day, neither company cares that you or I exist outside of our ability to increase their sales. In reverse, you should only care that you're getting the absolute best value for your money in a competitive environment.
You are talking absolute nonsense, as usual. Every time someone, including myself, engages with you, you either ignore their arguments or strawman something they didn't say. Maybe you don't understand what people are talking about but IMO you're doing it on purpose.
The whole "twice as fast" discussion was clearly a theoretical exercise based on expected but not proven numbers and in a single specific situation. Somehow that annoys you and is not worth talking about, yet all you do is talk about it (calling it "make believe" etc.). It used to be called "thread-crapping" but nowadays that just comes under trolling, so yes I believe you are trolling this thread. Your opinion seems to be "if AMD hasn't specifically confirmed X, X cannot be true and should not be talked about", in which case there is no reason for you to be in this thread in the first place ruining the experience for everyone else.
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But still he's allowed to post in this thread after the moderators have warned multiple times of bans for trolling etc
No new leaks yet?
hopefully we get some solid info soon!
No new leaks yet?
hopefully we get some solid info soon!
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Considering we have little to go on just now, I see no problem with speculation and rumour as long as it's not stated as fact.
I don't see why if a 16c 32t monster comes out it wouldn't be ~100% faster in synthetic multithreaded benchmarks. A 30% boost in games overall would be well worth it for me though as I am still on a 1700X.
I don't see why if a 16c 32t monster comes out it wouldn't be ~100% faster in synthetic multithreaded benchmarks. A 30% boost in games overall would be well worth it for me though as I am still on a 1700X.
Steve said in GamersNexus' latest news video that he believes 12 and 16 core chips are coming based on his sources, but they might be the same sources that have fuelled the existing speculation. It's also possible that we won't see them straight away. Personally I doubt AMD will want Intel claiming the core count crown again with a 10 core Cooper Lake chip, so I reckon they'll release the 12 core versions pretty sharpish. 16 cores I'm not so sure about, they might wait for 7nm+ 4000 series for that but who knows.No new leaks yet?
Bang on! as long as opinions and speculations are stated as such and not as facts then there is nothing wrong with voicing them no matter how ridiculous they may be..
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I think the top end part will be a 17 core 31 thread at 5.012Ghz!
No one is saying that, DG just assumes it.
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In a game that uses all 8/12/16 cores it might be feasible but that might be 2 games in existence and should never be accounted for in such a minority anyway.
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Trying to read this barely literate guff makes my brain hurt.
People would take you more seriously if you didn't write like a toddler.