AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[lltfdaniel]

Trying to read this barely literate guff makes my brain hurt.

People would take you more seriously if you didn't write like a toddler.

Just remember every post, when ryzen 3000 comes out, look at past posts 6 months from now and compare that is all.

I for one am looking forward to what ryzen 3000 brings to the table, i have hopes it will be a more faster chip with better ipc at the least which is understood already.

Dan.

 

[beany_bot]

But still he's allowed to post in this thread after the moderators have warned multiple times of bans for trolling etc

I got a straight ban, no warning for lowering the price of something I was selling in the MM (to give forum members a first shot before listing elsewhere). And yet trolls just continue to ruin entire forums without penalty. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

No one is crying. Everyone is left to speculate based on the limited information provided and there are varying degrees of effort being put into each speculation. That's the opposite of you grossly exaggerating expectations and then setting an unrealistic bar that you can later point to and say "see! it didn't get there!" That's disingenuous and not adding anything to the conversation.

As a 9900k owner who has zero intentions to upgrade, I'm quite excited by Ryzen 2 as AMD is pushing the market forward. In only a few years, Intel's gone from resting on their laurels to pushing out 8 core CPU's that scale to 5ghz. AMD has a large part to do with that. As a consumer on a lengthy upgrade cycle, hell yeah to that!

Competition doesn't have to be about picking a team. It's about watching companies compete with quality products for our money. At the end of the day, neither company cares that you or I exist outside of our ability to increase their sales. In reverse, you should only care that you're getting the absolute best value for your money in a competitive environment.

This post needs to be pinned as it is the most sensible thing said in the entire thread.

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The thing with the speculation here is that none of us except DG are claiming that the speculation is anything other than best case scenario; for sure we don't know there's a 15% IPC increase, or a 15% clock speed increase, only that both are feasible from what we know. The math is easy to extrapolate, and the requisite caveats are getting a solid mention.
It's just a shame that DG has decided that the CES Ryzen ES was at 4.7GHz give or take, shows and IPC regression over Zen+, and that the final clocks will be even lower.

He is a troll without a doubt.

 

[DragonQ]

Huh? I thought you were allowed to lower the price of stuff in MM.

 

[beany_bot]

Huh? I thought you were allowed to lower the price of stuff in MM.

Not before 24 hours. That's an Insta-ban and then very childish and patronising comments from mods.

 

[humbug]

I agree @Potatowithearsontheside @Robert896r1 makes some rational points well.

We should all care less about tribal brand support and more about ourselves, you know, selfish desire to get better for less, picking up a bargain is whose church i'm most proud to be a member of.

Gimme 8 fast cores for less, hallelujah.

 

[lltfdaniel]

I also agree @Robert896r1 @Potatowithearsontheside @humbug , instead of spitting at people and adding nothing needs to stop.

Getting the best deal for me and not being brand support is also my church i be proud of as well.

I instinctively knew there was a 50/50 chance that amd will come out with something worth getting and beating intel bang for buck wise and maybe be the performance king again.

Yea instinctively when i decided to go the am4 motherboard socket amd route.

In fact my main motive is getting the best deal and am passionate about that and i don't really care if it is intel or amd, and because of that passion i support the one that offers the better deal for your money i must admit so i must be a fan boy, well not in my consensus.

It varys with me, in the past i went with a intel core 2 duo 8400 processor back in 2009 and then upgraded to a q9550 because intel gave the better performance back then and amd processors did not appeal to me because i wanted the best possible gaming performance back then so intel it was because amd at that time did not have anything to match the performance until they came out with the amd phenom x955 i believe which matched the q9550 performance.

This time i wanted the best bang for buck with good enough performance so it was ryzen and the possibility that amd will come out with something to fight intel with as well as offering better value for the performance you get but not the fastest as with the case with intel yeah.

Either way if ryzen 3000 is worth getting as i already have an upgrade itch, i will upgrade from this 2700x that i have now and nice to know that amd i suspect is catching up with intel now with those 3000 series processors.

Dan.

 

[Sayso]

If the 8/16 part (3600?) hits about £200 im going to be in, hopefully around the 4.5Ghz mark will make it a steal. I personally think they will do an Nvidia and push the numbering up a notch so will not see a price drop for the 8/16 part it will just use the lower numbering.

 

[humbug]

If the 8/16 part (3600?) hits about £200 im going to be in, hopefully around the 4.5Ghz mark will make it a steal. I personally think they will do an Nvidia and push the numbering up a notch so will not see a price drop for the 8/16 part it will just use the lower numbering.

This is the leak, speculation of course..

 

[beany_bot]

I personally don't see their 16C part being faster than their top 8C part. Makes no sense. Either from an engineering standpoint, a thermal standpoint or a business standpoint.

 

[DragonQ]

I personally don't see their 16C part being faster than their top 8C part. Makes no sense. Either from an engineering standpoint, a thermal standpoint or a business standpoint.

Why? The R7 1800X had the same clocks as the R5 1600X, the R7 2700X is clocked higher than the R5 2600X, and Threadrippers are always clocked higher than those. The best dies are usually reserved for the higher priced parts.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

The thing is, the 8c part doesn't even need to outperform the 9900K in gaming just so long as it is very close. AMD's target audience isn't an existing 8700K-9900K owner, nor really a 2700X owner. Their target will be those folk that held off buying Intel upgrades due to year on year practical stagnation; 2600K-4770K owners for the most part. Anyone that has bought a later generation CPU, from either brand, that buys a Ryzen 3000 is just gravy IMO.
That has to be the target demographic if they truly want to be seen to have won this battle. They are the folk that have felt the most disenchanted over the past few years. They want a step change in price-performance ratio, but where performance is definitely worthy of the upgrade. IMO they are likely to get that with Ryzen 3000.

 

[Hagar]

I got a straight ban, no warning for lowering the price of something I was selling in the MM (to give forum members a first shot before listing elsewhere). And yet trolls just continue to ruin entire forums without penalty. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ditto, same offence, still smarts a bit.

 

[Legionaire68]

Well I will be buying at least a 3600 series as an upgrade to my 1600X if the rumours are correct as it represents a tangible upgrade on clocks and multi threaded performance at a good price.

The AM4 X370 support for Zen 2 was a big plus when putting together a new rig as I normally upgrade parts as I go as I get upgrade fever whenever something new comes out and I was glad to give Amd my business to give Intel a wake up call.

 

[HRL]

If the 3850X specs are correct I just hope I manage to snap one up if it’s a limited run.

BIOS update and straight swap for what I’ve already got hopefully.

 

[Sayso]

The thing is, the 8c part doesn't even need to outperform the 9900K in gaming just so long as it is very close. AMD's target audience isn't an existing 8700K-9900K owner, nor really a 2700X owner. Their target will be those folk that held off buying Intel upgrades due to year on year practical stagnation; 2600K-4770K owners for the most part. Anyone that has bought a later generation CPU, from either brand, that buys a Ryzen 3000 is just gravy IMO.
That has to be the target demographic if they truly want to be seen to have won this battle. They are the folk that have felt the most disenchanted over the past few years. They want a step change in price-performance ratio, but where performance is definitely worthy of the upgrade. IMO they are likely to get that with Ryzen 3000.

Exactly where im coming from, as for out performing a part that is twice as expensive i doubt that will happen, i think the gap will close though.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

the 8c part doesn't even need to outperform the 9900K in gaming just so long as it is very close

But people will be saying how rubish AMD are, even if they are only 1% slower. I'm forever defending AMD in the comments section of YouTube videos where there's a comparision between the 9900K and 2700X etc. People are obsessed with small differences in FPS. This is about the IPC crown and it's so important for the image of AMD. Naive Intel fanboys still have a common misconception that AMD make subpar products for people who cant afford anything decent and that needs to change.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

But people will be saying how rubish AMD are, even if they are only 1% slower. I'm forever defending AMD in the comments section of YouTube videos where there's a comparision between the 9900K and 2700X etc. People are obsessed with small differences in FPS. This is about the IPC crown and it's so important for the image of AMD. Naive Intel fanboys still have a common misconception that AMD make subpar products for people who cant afford anything decent and that needs to change.

It's a shame but mindshare is very firmly in the Intel camp so I do agree with you they should be aiming for at least parity in games. I would love to see the masses actually take AMD seriously for once.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

This is the leak, speculation of course..

If and just IF that table is correct, the 3300G may well be the perfect HTPC CPU.
Integrated graphics with recent AMD video tech including decoding, and a perfectly reasonable multithreaded CPU. Should be able to handle pretty much anything with enough CPU grunt to handle anything the hardware video decoding chokes on.

Plus, throw on top, low power consumption if the recent CES demo was anything to go by.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

It's a shame but mindshare is very firmly in the Intel camp so I do agree with you they should be aiming for at least parity in games. I would love to see the masses actually take AMD seriously for once.

Some of the issue with games is optimisation. The original Ryzen only came out two years ago this February. Considering most triple A games take 2 or 3 years to make, every new game released today was started prior to Ryzen's debut so any changes for AMD had to be added in as an afterthought.