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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

They're not good enough. It was always the argument. Their core for core performance was just too lacklustre.

Even today, they're still weak.

Which is why I gladly hated on them, but I was more than happy to go Ryzen.

8 Bulldozer cores roughly equal 4 Zen cores.
Which is not a problem. The problem is the poor optimisation of many applications for multi-threading and the spread myth that a dual-core Pentium or i3 is better. Which is nonsense.
 
Because of Intel 2 cores was standard for cheap market PCs two years.


Without hyperthreading you would likely have lot more/more serious hiccups.
For reference, i was playing bfv last night and i used the OSD with afterburner, my 2600k clocked to 4.6GHz for showing 100% on all cores at certain points:eek:, hurry up AMD i want my ryzen 7 now:p.
 
We're at the end of Jan now so just 4 months to go until the new Ryzen launch at Computex. I'm desperate too.

TBH, I used a Pentium at 233 MHz, then a Pentium at 450 MHz, then a Core 2 Duo, then a Core 2 Quad and NEVER ever been happy with the experience those systems given me. The last one was throttling like hell.
Meanwhile, I have a up and running Athlon 64 3700+ that is superb till the present day. And my Ryzen 5 2500U is also excellent. Completely different experience.

My point is completely naive to stay with a bottlenecking i7 waiting for the bright future and never given a chance to an AMD processor to prove itself.
 
TBH, I used a Pentium at 233 MHz, then a Pentium at 450 MHz, then a Core 2 Duo, then a Core 2 Quad and NEVER ever been happy with the experience those systems given me. The last one was throttling like hell.
Meanwhile, I have a up and running Athlon 64 3700+ that is superb till the present day. And my Ryzen 5 2500U is also excellent. Completely different experience.

My point is completely naive to stay with a bottlenecking i7 waiting for the bright future and never given a chance to an AMD processor to prove itself.
I've had P166's, Athlon XP's, Cyrix and so on. None of what you describe makes any sense. All the systems I had did well for their capacity and IMO that you had such bad experiences says more about your competence with setting up PC's than anything else.
 
I've had P166's, Athlon XP's, Cyrix and so on. None of what you describe makes any sense. All the systems I had did well for their capacity and IMO that you had such bad experiences says more about your competence with setting up PC's than anything else.

The Pentiums were prebuilt OEM/OED machines (I agree that their capacity was extremely limited but to say they performed well is utter nonsense and anti-user). The Core 2 Duo was a laptop. Only the Core 2 Quad was DIY :D

Actually, the Athlon 64 3700+ is DIY, too.
 
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Wow you guys have been PC gaming longer than I have. I was late to the party because I was gaming on an upgraded Amiga 1200 until 1999 then I built my first PC with an AMD K6-2 333 and parts I recycled from the Amiga such as HDD and CD-ROM. I'd never even used Windows before so installing it was fun.
 
For those who are being impatient, remember that the CES Keynote was barely more than 3 weeks ago :p

Going to be a long 4 months for you lot :p
 
I am tempted to order my case and PSU at least. But I am just holding off as no doubt the case and PSU will be revised/dated by the time I buy the CPU and the rest of it. So I'll buy it all in one hit.

I am also buying an apartment...so I should probably prioritise things :p
 
I hope TR2 is released soon after Ryzen 2. I'm hoping for 32 cores without having to upgrade from a first gen x399 motherboard so I don't have to go E-ATX or get more powerful VRMs + cooling on the mobo.
 
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