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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

hominid said:
I've read that there may be an issue supporting all the 3000 series CPU's in the bios due to storage space inside the bios chips. For me this isn't an issue as the motherboard vendors can issue a new bios that only supports the 3K chips, or keep the older bioses that support the 1and2k chips. Give the user the option to update depending on which CPU they want to use, once you've updated the bios then you have to change the CPU to your new 3K series and it'll work no problem.

Hopefully they'll work it out that they can support all CPU's with the space they have one one bios, but there are ways around it if needed.
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For example, the Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero has 256 Mb Flash ROM, while a BIOS is only 8.44 Mb.
 
Hoping my msi tomahawk b350 will support them.. but if not, then my 8 year old daughter will be getting her first PC.
 
4K8KW10 said:
For example, the Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero has 256 Mb Flash ROM, while a BIOS is only 8.44 Mb.
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The CH7 flash rom is 256Mb (megabit) i.e. 32MB (megabytes) so it's somewhat overspecced, but not massively so. The older B350 boards with 128Mb (16MB) flash are the ones that might be struggling for space.
 
Matkinson said:
How much do you think we will see of Ryzen 3000 at GDC in March?
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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/preview-of-zen-2-architecture-in-at-amd-gdc-2019-presentation.html

At the Game Developers' Conference, in San Francisco from March 18 to 22 this year, AMD will present a preview of its Zen 2 architecture. The session is dedicated to code optimization for AMD's Ryzen chips.

The presentation is is titled "AMD Ryzen Processor Software Optimization (Presented by AMD)" and is hosted by Ken Mitchell. A detailed presentation should not be expected. AMD promises "insights" on the upcoming microarchitecture, on the other hand, the name of the session already indicates that it is essentially about the optimization of software with regard to current AMD processors.

GDC will take place from 18 to 22 March 2019 in San Francisco. In addition to the official pictures of an AM4 package with a Zen 2 chiplet, user benchmark entries for AMD's 12-core CPU are currently making their rounds.
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Don't expect anything (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...nt_zen_2_core_architecture_at_gdc2019/eg22ejr):

Hi, folks.

While I know everyone is H Y P E about what this abstract could mean, I wanted to provide some clarity: we will be revisiting the core topics disclosed at the AMD "Next Horizon" event late last year. As not all game studios track hardware announcements as closely as those of us on Reddit might, there's value to us in this exercise to ensure that the development community knows about the core and learns some of the fundamentals. This talk will otherwise cover optimization best practices for the "Zen" and "Zen+" cores shipping in the market today.

When we're ready to really talk about the "Zen 2" core, I promise it won't be a brief reference in a GDC abstract. :)
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FoxEye said:
It's beginning to look like a Q3 or Q4 launch for Zen2. They never said H1 did they?
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Where did you hear this? And no, the only timeframe ever uttered by AMD was "mid 2019" for Ryzen at the end of the keynote. Any discussion about March/April launch has been purely based on the announcement and release dates of the previous 2 generations.

But if AMD really are going to take this long to get EPYC Rome and Ryzen 3 out then it's almost an own goal. True that Intel don't have anything new coming, but in the middle of their "shortages" and the 9 series still costing silly money at RRP, this is a golden opportunity to put the boot it and make a big grab for marketshare.

I hope you're wrong.
 
AMD do have this peculiar habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Like making a GPU that for the first time in 5 years is faster and much cheaper than your competitions at a time when your competition can do nothing about it..... and then garnishing it with the worst cooler in history making it run literally boiling hot, sound like a Jet Engine and cause it to under perform, its almost as if they have this realization... "we've done it, we have a product that's better than our competition.... so how do we make sure we make a mess of it????????"
 
Would also give Intel longer to come up with a competing product, so I’m surprised AMD would have revealed so much so early. I’m still thinking May/June time.
 
On a serious note, and i seem to remember having said this before years ago...

AMD seem to lack urgency, Intel / nVidia would understand the window that they have to get their product out in when your competition is fierce, they understand that if you don't get your punches in before your competition is able to recover you lose your advantage.

So what Intel / nVidia would and i'm sure do is know the target and then do everything to meet it, if there is a problem with the product hire 500 of the best and have them work 24/7 in shifts, do everything and anything to meet a deadline you set in stone.

AMD seem far too relaxed about things like this, ah we will miss that window... never mind. hm? this is why they are #2 in the Duopolies that are the CPU and GPU space.
 
the prices getting quoted i'd quite happily put money down for a 3850x as soon as they open up the orders. 16 cores 32 threads at 5ghz. sounds absolutely beastly.

will be great for playing FTL :)
 
humbug said:
AMD seem to lack urgency, Intel / nVidia would understand the window that they have to get their product out in when your competition is fierce, they understand that if you don't get your punches in before your competition is able to recover you lose your advantage.

So what Intel / nVidia would and i'm sure do is know the target and then do everything to meet it, if there is a problem with the product hire 500 of the best and have them work 24/7 in shifts, do everything and anything to meet a deadline you set in stone.

AMD seem far too relaxed about things like this, ah we will miss that window... never mind. hm? this is why they are #2 in the Duopolies that are the CPU and GPU space.
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I completely agree this is what it looks like from the outside, but I think you do have to bear in mind the relative size of company and development team.

AMD have a total of 8,900 Staff for their entire business. Nvidia have 11,500 and they don't make CPU's. Intel have 107,000! although obviously they make a lot of other products and have their own foundries which account for the majority of those. That is not even considering the capital reserves of Nvidia and Intel that they can dip into for extra contractors etc if they want to.

When it comes to being able to accelerate or through people at a problem AMD just can't do the same thing as the other two at this moment. If we see their revenues continue to climb hopefully that will change, but we complain they are too slow - then attack them for releasing GPU's with immature drivers. We can't really have both.

I don't really disagree, I would really love to see AMD get to market faster, especially on 7nm Ryzen where they could really reap a massive win right now. AMD would have to be blind not to see that as well though so I expect they will come to market just as quick as they can. There might also be a strategic reason for wanting to leave manufacturing at GloFlo for as long as possible on at least some of their lines in the short term - but I don't know that for certain.
 
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