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My new build is on hold waiting for the new Ryzen 2 CPUs and the X570 mobos to become available.
Hopefully our options will a 8, 12 and 16 cores in the 3xxx series.
I will have to read the reviews and look at the benchmarks, but I'll probably go for the one that has the highest stable core frequency when OCed.
It's hard to say but the bets are the 8 core will be less constrained by thermals and will be clocked higher by default than the 12 and 16 core.
In return that will probably give the 8 core the best single thread performance of the range.
But it's all just speculation at this point.
Hopefully our options will a 8, 12 and 16 cores in the 3xxx series.
I will have to read the reviews and look at the benchmarks, but I'll probably go for the one that has the highest stable core frequency when OCed.
It's hard to say but the bets are the 8 core will be less constrained by thermals and will be clocked higher by default than the 12 and 16 core.
In return that will probably give the 8 core the best single thread performance of the range.
But it's all just speculation at this point.
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The most surprising thing in that image is how much of their revenue comes from >28nm, not so much the amount but that they're even still fabricating >28nm stuff, I mean wow who would've thunk it.
When i think of fabrication companies i automatically think cutting edge or a generation or two back from that, TIL.
Washing machines, dishwashers, microwaves etc all have microchips which need to be fabricated. They dont need to be anywhere near 28nm. The bottleneck in washing a pair of jeans isn't the CPU
Thanks for the link, that was an interesting read
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I wasn't even thinking of things like that, I guess there's cars, TVs, loads of stuff that don't need that much speed.Washing machines, dishwashers, microwaves etc all have microchips which need to be fabricated. They dont need to be anywhere near 28nm. The bottleneck in washing a pair of jeans isn't the CPU
Thanks for the link, that was an interesting read
Yes, obviously the automotive industry is one large share consumer, all kinds of integrated electronics, do you know that every banking debit/credit card also has tiny chip in it?! Also, many elements on our motherboards also can be safely manufactured on less fine process - chipsets, sound card chips, etc...
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I'm currently in the process of putting a new build together , i play X-Plane 11 a lot which depends on single threaded Performance , according to this link ("https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html) the current Ryzen 7's are way behind the the intel i7/i9 offerings.
Do you think this will change with ryzen 3000 series - in other words do you think its worth waiting ?
Do you think this will change with ryzen 3000 series - in other words do you think its worth waiting ?
Passmark is more than 10 years old, its designed for ancient single core CPU's.
Edit for X-Plane 11 a Celeron would do.
XP11 is moving to Vulkan api later this year (hopefully) which means much better multi core optimisation. However XP11 does use lots of cores, it loads up all 8 threads on my i7 for a flight.
I'm buying Zen2 mostly for XP11 when it comes out it's very cpu heavy.
So is there a strong belief this new processor is going to do very well against Intel's current gen ... 9900k etc?
Or will it be great, but just not enough if you have the money to go intel?
I'm waiting and waiting ..worst I've been for years
Or will it be great, but just not enough if you have the money to go intel?
I'm waiting and waiting ..worst I've been for years
Well, AMD demo'd an 8c/16t Zen2 part running cinebench with a 9900k and beating it's score with lower power usage on an engineering sample CPU, with lower than final clocks. I would say even if they aren't able to improve performance beyond that, it'll be very competitive.
I'm just gonna have to wait it out then...
My 3820 is showing its age. A move to 1440 and gsync certainly lengthened its life span.
My guess is that Intel will still hold the higher single thread ground, probably by not as much as with previous gen but considering that's already down to <20% in some workloads the difference will be negligible IMO, it's going to be would you prefer 5-10% less single thread performance in exchange for 30+% more multi-thread performance (at similar prices) or visa versa.
If money was no object I'd go with Intel, if i was trying to be canny I'd go with AMD (FWIW I'm going with AMD, or at least i will be when the R3's are released).
realistically they will be close on intel with single ipc slightly slower ingames but more cores. the thing is price ! thats the main selling point. hoping the high multicores cpus are priced well and i can build a set up with one which suits.
Yet passmark is more reflective of the real world than cinebench, most people run single core apps not multi threaded rendering tools
For gaming multi core and single core seems about 50/50 on new games made, and much heavier towards single core on historical games made. So I wouldnt discount single core performance as irrelevant.
Yet passmark is more reflective of the real world than cinebench, most people run single core apps not multi threaded rendering tools
For gaming multi core and single core seems about 50/50 on new games made, and much heavier towards single core on historical games made. So I wouldnt discount single core performance as irrelevant.
How can a 10+ year old synthetic benchmarking tool be more relevant than a real world 3D/2D production tool? https://www.maxon.net/en-gb/
Who are you trying to kid? yourself or the rest of us?
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I have zero interest in how long farcebook takes to load with a CPU, or if word is 'optimal'. I care that my professional apps work well (Eclipse, Sony Vegas, etc). After that... gaming.
Single core is still relevant, but it only really matter for high load gaming.
Also note chrcoluk's 'wink'.
Single core is still relevant, but it only really matter for high load gaming.
Also note chrcoluk's 'wink'.
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hopefully they do 4.5 ghz and are priced well. if so im in. gibbo is going to say zen2 is very good hes going to sell them to you.
Who are you and what have you done with Dg?
How many people do cpu based 2d/3d rendering at home on their personal PC?
cinebench is popular with youtubers as it showcases the tech they reviewing, in addition they over emphasise the importance of rendering given they all have to render their own videos for their jobs. Meanwhile things like office apps, browsers etc. haven't changed a whole lot over the years which is why passmark still has relevance. Also passmark is not a single core only test, it mixes it up, and it has had updates the latest update to it is not 10 years old.
If you sitting there thinking the likes of paint, word, notepad, explorer, and so on are multi threaded apps then you wrong sorry to say. Even media players like vlc are single threaded for the most part.
cinebench is far from a real world representation of performance, the impact of htt alone on it takes it away from the real world as on average in the real world htt is a 10% performance boost at best not the 40-50% or so you see in cinebench.
Depend on instillation drive speed not CPU performance, you run those things on a potato they load up and respond instantly so long as you're on a fast access drive.
If they take any time at all doing anything on your system i suggest you check it for viruses.
he'll just want that so intel have to do price drops.
Yeah, anything with those kind of single core applications, any IPC difference will be unnoticable. You'd have to be really 'unique' to notice performance differences between brands of CPU opening word and notepad.