The only thing that really remains to be seen is pricing in my opinion and it will come entirely down to how quickly the double chiplet variants are released. If they come out the same time as the single chiplet, or at least launched at the same time and then available a couple of months down the line, then the leaked prices are likely to be spot on. If the double chiplet Zen2 processors aren't ready for another 6+months, then I would expect the pricing to be a lot closer to the current Zen pricing structure, in the short term, with prices only dropping once the 12C and 16C CPUs are released.
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That´s an interesting take on things - i didn't think about a staggered release like that - although if Epyc releases first then i assume the 8 core chiplets could be harvested from them and AMD would be free to glue as many together as they liked
I've suggested before that a full 8 core chiplet doesn't automatically mean EPYC given that having an 8 core chiplet that's 4.6+GHz capable is actually a waste to put into a server package that doesn't need the speed. The binning process for these chiplets is likely to be sufficiently granular AMD can stockpile suitable chiplets for every purpose: those great power efficient chiplets will go into EPYC, the super fast 8 core chiplets will go into the 3600X, 3800X and 3850X where TDP is more relaxed, the fast 6 core chiplets will go into 3700X, etc. This means theoretically EPYC and the traditional Ryzen 3, 5 and 7 SKUs can all come out more or less simultaneously.
I do foresee a staggered release in that the traditional 7 and 5 SKUs (now at 12 and 8 cores respectively) will land first alongside the anniversary 3850X as a limited edition run. Then a bit later on as the 3850X allocation is depleted, the new Ryzen 9 SKU is launched with the 3800X (think 8700K and 8086K in reverse), with the bottom Ryzen 3 SKUs too (now at 6 cores). Pricing I think will mirror Intel's Coffee Lake Refresh in that AMD will keep the 3, 5 and 7 SKUs about the same price point they always have been (maybe throw another £15-20 on top because of the increased core count) and then the new 9 SKU will be more expensive (£450 ish for the 3800X?) I don't see the introduction of a 16-core 9 SKU actually dropping the price of the lower SKUs.
If you want something reasonable in 8/16 area at 4.2 to 4.4 - there's already the 2700/2700X? Or by competition did you mean 8/16 and 5ghz sorta range?
I just want me that 3850X
If it's £500... fine.
At release, (according to rumour before anyone gets triggered) 5.1ghz single/dual core boost and another 14 cores to back it up should be great. That's everything covered.
As time goes on and games go more DX12/multicore, it's got cores for days.
I *genuinely* think, if that chip exists, it's pretty much a "2-3 years at least" kinda thing. I don't really see where stuff can go that a 16/32 @ 4.3/5.1 boost won't be smashing it.
For a lot of my main usage it doesn't pull away from my 4820K @ 4.4GHz enough to make it worth spending on that upgrade - aside from some multi-thread heavy games they are still in the same ballpark for gaming and some of the applications I use most everyday don't play nice with Ryzen + Windows scheduler. So realistically I'm talking stuff above current 8/16 CPUs on both sides.
(Also 4820K has a lot of system RAM bandwidth which doesn't make a huge difference for a lot of stuff but for some things I do it does hence why I choose it).
I think it’ll last longer unless you use heavy multi-threaded apps already. 5GHz seems to be the limit for silicon, we’ve been stuck about there now for 10+ years, so future gains are likely to be IPC (small) or core count increase (big, if threaded).
AMD may have rapidly caught up with Intel but I don’t expect them to continue the rapid pace of increase of performance like they have going forward. If they do though, Intel deserve a kicking for their lack of development the last 10 years!
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Good call. I had a 5820K build that I since sold when I did not see much difference compared to my Sandy i7 2770K. Kept the latter but it is offline cause of vulnerabilities. Got some client data to protect.
I just want me that 3850X
If it's £500... fine.
At release, (according to rumour before anyone gets triggered) 5.1ghz single/dual core boost and another 14 cores to back it up should be great. That's everything covered.
As time goes on and games go more DX12/multicore, it's got cores for days.
I *genuinely* think, if that chip exists, it's pretty much a "2-3 years at least" kinda thing. I don't really see where stuff can go that a 16/32 @ 4.3/5.1 boost won't be smashing it.
3850X if it exists at around those performance numbers that'll be my upgrade point also, interesting times coming up ^^
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Probably not new but AMD have got AMD50.com up which links through to https://www.amd.com/en/events/50th-anniversary
Fingers crossed some more news soon on 3000 series availability.
I think a 16 core will be more like £600, especially if they wipe the floor wit Intel. The 3850 is on my wish list atm, or, next gen TR. I don't need anymore than 16 cores and in fact 8 would probably suffice but if the clock speeds aren't much lower with 16, I'll just go that route.
£500 to me sounds like they would be undercutting themselves, especially if for the time being they have the best all round CPU that's close to the IPC of Intel's 9900K.
Fingers crossed some more news soon on 3000 series availability.
I think a 16 core will be more like £600, especially if they wipe the floor wit Intel. The 3850 is on my wish list atm, or, next gen TR. I don't need anymore than 16 cores and in fact 8 would probably suffice but if the clock speeds aren't much lower with 16, I'll just go that route.
£500 to me sounds like they would be undercutting themselves, especially if for the time being they have the best all round CPU that's close to the IPC of Intel's 9900K.
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aaaaaahhhh...good old Sim Lim Square. my favourite haunt.
not in singapore so can't confirm if it's legit or not. but seeing as how they don't have x570 boards on there, i do have to question the authenticity
It's not fake
https://i.postimg.cc/XNKx1vDD/tgterterte.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XNKx1vDD/tgterterte.jpg
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VAT in Singapore is 7% isn't it?
So if that's the case then for a 3600X it's;
349 / 1.07 = 326 Singapore dollars, converted to GBP = £182 + 20% UK Vat = £218
for comparison, their 2600x works out at £202 in GBP, so prices could well be correct, as you can pick up a 2600x sub £200
Be great if that is true!
So if that's the case then for a 3600X it's;
349 / 1.07 = 326 Singapore dollars, converted to GBP = £182 + 20% UK Vat = £218
for comparison, their 2600x works out at £202 in GBP, so prices could well be correct, as you can pick up a 2600x sub £200
Be great if that is true!
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I was just looking at that and thinking a Ryzen 9 would be under 400 quid
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We already had that around New Year.... it turned out to be a vapourware.