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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Troezar said:
I won't be in any rush for DDR5, it will take a while before it is faster then the peak DDR4 so speeds.
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That's actually incorrect this time around. DDR5 will start at 4266MHz and clock for clock offer 36%+ more bandwidth at the same speeds. Expect 4266/4666/5000 MHz at release. The only question is how will they have kept the latencies down.
 
HeX said:
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Quoting Zen 4 is still just that guy guessing. Ultimately in particular with the I/O die, it's very easy to release an updated platform for ddr5. Different i/o die, different memory controller, second lot of motherboards. AM4 will be supported through Zen 3, meaning only that Zen 2 and 3 will definitely have ddr4 variants, it doesn't preclude an AM5 platform running concurrently when ddr5 hits. It's fairly likely they'd want to support it sooner than later. With support promised to Zen 3 though for AM4, I suspect it will make more sense to keep Zen 2 single platform and only have one generation of 'dual platform' AM4 and AM5 variants of Zen 3, then Zen 4 is AM5/ddr5 only.
 
Journey said:
That's actually incorrect this time around. DDR5 will start at 4266MHz and clock for clock offer 36%+ more bandwidth at the same speeds. Expect 4266/4666/5000 MHz at release. The only question is how will they have kept the latencies down.
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That is the issue with new gen of DDR. It always comes with increased latencies. Even though they have higher bandwidth, at launch, latencies usually are very loose, and you can't do too much to rectify it due to early designs. Only later on they refine the process and you end up getting decent speed ups.

With AMD you would have thought that when they have access to latest memory tech, they seem to not take advantage of it at all with their APUs. Fast DDR4, HBM, they seem to lag behind.
Zen 2 improved on memory support unofficially, but they have to capitalise on their advantage in APUs now that they have strong cpu core. If HBM is still too expensive for APU, then hopefully AMD takes advantage of DDR5 bandwidth to let loose their GPUs in their APUs.
 
Troezar said:
I want to see some really good quality motherboards for these new cpus. Not the poor relation version we sometimes seem to get. I tend to keep my system for a long time so it's worth investing a bit more.
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Having so many issues with x79 and x99 platforms from Intel, makes you wonder if its possible to get a quality motherboard these days anymore? ASUS hero VI BIOS support has been abysmal as well, and you would think being one of the leaders in motherboard sales, they would have their design in order by now
 
My current system (4790K) has a dodgy mobo and recently lost another stick of RAM and been holding out on a full system upgrade until Zen 2 but not sure if will make it... now the decision do I just get a 2700X now or do I get a cheap 1600 and sell/upgrade to Zen2 when its released as its the same socket? hmmmm.
 
Korath said:
My current system (4790K) has a dodgy mobo and recently lost another stick of RAM and been holding out on a full system upgrade until Zen 2 but not sure if will make it... now the decision do I just get a 2700X now or do I get a cheap 1600 and sell/upgrade to Zen2 when its released as its the same socket? hmmmm.
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If you're thinking resale value then I'd probably go 2600 if I'm honest. But wouldn't it be cheaper to get a basic Z97 mobo instead and do a full Ryzen 3 upgrade in one hit? There is the spectre of PCI-E 4 floating around.
 
Save you all arguing, if I can find the video on youtube again i'll post it, I watch a lot of video's, so it may be a mission, but the last I heard Zen2 (RyZen 3) will only support DDR4 RAM, its due next April 2019, theres no point them supporting DDR5 as that's not out yet, Zen3 (RyZen 4) (the roadmap I saw said 7nm+) they will release 2 versions in 2020, one that supports DDR4 and one that supports DDR5, either way if you want to run DDR5 you're going to need a new motherboard, however, they may just release the CPU's to support both RAM types, it wouldn't be the 1st time that a motherboard has shipped with 4 RAM slots, 2 that support 1 type of ram and 2 that support another.

Heres a prime example, supports DDR2 and DDR3 and all of AMD's previous generation of CPU's https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/292804876354?chn=ps
 
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Jamin280672 said:
it wouldn't be the 1st time that a motherboard has shipped with 4 RAM slots, 2 that support 1 type of ram and 2 that support another.

Heres a prime example, supports DDR2 and DDR3 and all of AMD's previous generation of CPU's https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/292804876354?chn=ps
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I miss Asrock's innovative & interesting mobos of the past; had a selection of slightly barmy ones that had 2 different sockets and/or memory types and/or graphics slots (or a daughterboard for some of the above). Were always a bit fiddly and never as good as just getting a whole new mobo but I applauded the initiative shown :)
 
Korath said:
My current system (4790K) has a dodgy mobo and recently lost another stick of RAM and been holding out on a full system upgrade until Zen 2 but not sure if will make it... now the decision do I just get a 2700X now or do I get a cheap 1600 and sell/upgrade to Zen2 when its released as its the same socket? hmmmm.
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Get a 2600 to tide you over, sell the 4790k whilst Intel shortages are in effect.
 
Definitely saving a bit and going for a top drawer motherboard this time. The prime's been... fine (4.35 single core boosts so... all the chip will give without tinkering, I don't seem to be able to do any tinkering to go higher though). A taichi is likely this time though, I feel.

I think early Q2 for release. They pretty much landed April both years so far. Trying to keep a regular yearly cycle seems... sensible (bit too obvious logic and ignores lots of potential variables). Definitely moving though, this rig is superb, I DO want something I can wave at the blinkered Intel folks that squarely beats it on all metrics though :)
 
I got a fair chunk of change that came to me, and am sitting here ready to pull the trigger on my VM box again, currently an i5 750 with ddr3 ram. To me the perfect upgrade on that is a 2600 (no not intel sandybridge haha) with ddr4 ram probably 16 gig but possibly 32 given how cheap ram has got now. But part of me is saying wait for zen2. What are the chances a zen2 cpu will work on a b450?
 
AMD have stated AM4 is going to be a supported socket until 2020 at least, make of that what you will. It's lasted better than FM1, FM2 and AM1 already :p
 
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