Are you telling that Intel's 5GHz level boost clocks are imaginary?
Or is Intel somehow exempt from your logic?
Firstly i never said 5Ghz was impossible and secondly what on earth does Intel have to do with this?
IBM's SOI tech isn't used anywhere near Ryzens.
Again with the strawman, i didn't say IBM's SOI was used in Ryzen, i said "
that [the] common platform agreement, the strategic collaboration, the buying up of IBM's plant, process, and numerous semiconductor technology IPs" was eventually used in Ryzen and that IBM had the first working FinFet outside of Intel.
I'm not expecting any more real than Intel near 5GHz all core clocks.
(meaning if those are achieved power consumption/heat output is excessive)
But near 5GHz level boost clocks for few cores from actually designed for high performance node should be realistic.
Especially when AMD has more granular clock boosting system than Intel.
No doubt developed partially because of knowledge of very uncertain availability of high performance node with competitive clocks.
So let's approach this from the opposite direction, you and other claim Zen and Zen+ were based on a low power mature phone/tablet CPU node, yes?
And that once it's not based on that low power mature phone/tablet CPU node that it will be able to hit 5Ghz and beyond, yes?
So do tell me what design changes do you believe would enable them to achieve this, what can they now do that they couldn't do with the 12nm node, what's going to be the secret sauce that's going to make a new fabrication process and design rules achieve the lofty heights of 5Ghz?
I could be hear trying to prove a negative for the next 4-6 weeks after all, so perhaps it would be easier for others to prove a positive instead.
Can't avoid curious observation how in forums in different language speaking countries there are relatively new user accounts, whose proclamations are combined by single common theme:
That AMD can't ever catch Intel...
Bad upgradeability doesn't matter...
Intel's price levels are justified regardless of bad performance level retaining prospects...
What on earth does that have to do with anything, not only does it reek of AMD fanboy'isum but it somehow manages to bring casual xenophobia into it by saying "
different language speaking countries" and along with all that it creates the worlds biggest strawman as I've not mentioned anything about AMD never being able to catch Intel, Bad upgrade-ability, Intel's price levels or bad performance level retaining prospects.
In fact if you must know i believe Zen2 (maybe Zen3) will beat Intel on a core-per-core and clock-per-clock performance level because the Zen architecture and design is better than what Intels been flogging (the same basic Core architecture) for the last decade, i believe people are getting way to hung up clock speed and are missing the bigger picture, that you don't need to brute force your way to better performance, that you can often match or beat something by thinking clever.
