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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Are we likely to see 16C chiplets at 5nm?
If so, a mainstream 16/32 C/T chip at what should be a decent price should stay relevant for years. A single chiplet CPU shouldn't be expensive at 5nm
So even if it takes ages to go below 5nm it shouldn't matter much.
I suppose this hypothetical chip would be on the successor to AM4 and use DDR5?
 
matt1 said:
Haha, I may have thought the same way in the past but this I’ve been quite honest about these new CPUs to the misses and looking forward to buying new cpu/ram/mobo.

If the 3700x does boost to 5Ghz that seems like a very appealing choice. I’m sure the 3600x would get there quite easily too and could probably save a bit of money. From my point of view it’s all about gaming so not too bothered about the core count.
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if you not too bothered then why is 3700X appealing not 3600X? hmmm. Its that number 7.

Given my experience with silicon lotteries tho, I am sure if I brought a 3600X I would probably fail to reach 3700X clocks. Also I cannot even beat stock XFR with manual o/c on my 2600X, I think the theory one can just dial in a manual clock and voltage to get to a higher sku from a lower sku is very optimistic. XFR seems to do more than just a vcore and clock to achieve what it does.

XFR on my 2600X is stable at 4.25ghz with a reported 1.45 vcore in hwinfo, yet if I do that combo manually it hard locks. It also hard locks at 4.05 ghz with 1.45vcore which is really interesting given that XFR can do a all core 4.15ghz at 1.35vcore.

I definitely wont be buying a non X chip, absolutely no faith in getting a non X chip up to X clocks, especially at same voltages.

I am someone who puts value in guaranteed clocks, it basically grants you partial immunity to silicon lotteries.

I am leaning towards the 3600X now, as the price jump to a 3700X is a lot for the clock speed difference, and 8/16 for consumer use is a crap ton of cores and threads. Anything more then that is for epeen or content creators in my view.
 
LOL

My only issue is that this is going to push me to reinstall windows and move to Win 10, keeping the 8.1 install from haswell to coffeelake was a fair bit of work but I got away with it, however going from intel to AMD I think will be a step too far to pull it off.
 
chrcoluk said:
LOL

My only issue is that this is going to push me to reinstall windows and move to Win 10, keeping the 8.1 install from haswell to coffeelake was a fair bit of work but I got away with it, however going from intel to AMD I think will be a step too far to pull it off.
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Not at all, I've got one system install that has gone from Windows 7, upgraded to 8, which was on a Sandy platform, which was upgraded to Haswell, and then to 8.1, then to Window 10, and 2-3 upgrades, and is now sitting in a 2400G build. The original install was completed sometime around 2012, and it works fine but it's only used as a data processing and storage system.

TBH I should re-install that system but there are about 30 programs on it that need re-installing, I think I'll just make a VM of it, and then if it all goes bad I can fire it up and pretend like nothing happened. :)
 
chrcoluk said:
if you not too bothered then why is 3700X appealing not 3600X? hmmm. Its that number 7.

Given my experience with silicon lotteries tho, I am sure if I brought a 3600X I would probably fail to reach 3700X clocks. Also I cannot even beat stock XFR with manual o/c on my 2600X, I think the theory one can just dial in a manual clock and voltage to get to a higher sku from a lower sku is very optimistic. XFR seems to do more than just a vcore and clock to achieve what it does.

XFR on my 2600X is stable at 4.25ghz with a reported 1.45 vcore in hwinfo, yet if I do that combo manually it hard locks. It also hard locks at 4.05 ghz with 1.45vcore which is really interesting given that XFR can do a all core 4.15ghz at 1.35vcore.

I definitely wont be buying a non X chip, absolutely no faith in getting a non X chip up to X clocks, especially at same voltages.

I am someone who puts value in guaranteed clocks, it basically grants you partial immunity to silicon lotteries.

I am leaning towards the 3600X now, as the price jump to a 3700X is a lot for the clock speed difference, and 8/16 for consumer use is a crap ton of cores and threads. Anything more then that is for epeen or content creators in my view.
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I'm leaning the other way. But mostly because I upgrade once every 5-7 years (go, go 2500k!)

Started looking at the 3600X, now I'm edging towards the 3700X. Consoles will have 8c16t, PCs will need an extra few free cores because of Windows + AV.
 
Depending what the reviews and bench results come away with for gaming and other general work loads I'll go from there.
I'm in the same boat as Foxeye as my builds usually last me a long time. I'm also still on my i5-2500k from 2012.
 
I've got to go 3700X as I've had a 5960x for 5 years and despite never really needing the extra cores I only upgrade (or at least now I do, please ignore i7 920 to 4770K) ) if I can double the core count. That's assuming 3700X clocks highest and there's no issues with IF or latency with the 3700X otherwise I'll eat humble pie and go for the puny 3600X 12 core option. Can't go 8 core as that's sooo old hat. Gimme the gaming benchmarks, now!
 
chrcoluk said:
LOL

My only issue is that this is going to push me to reinstall windows and move to Win 10, keeping the 8.1 install from haswell to coffeelake was a fair bit of work but I got away with it, however going from intel to AMD I think will be a step too far to pull it off.
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If there will be driver support issues with Windows 10 LTSC 1809, then I'd skip the 3000 series. Running the consumer version of Windows 10 is not a viable option for me.
 
Why would there be driver support issues for the LTSC version? That doesn't make sense.

Though AMD used consoles to outperform the 'standard' Intel quad core PC is a hilarious and very very clever move by AMD in conjunction with Sony and Microsoft. In turn it's going to really shove the higher core (8+) CPU's into the mainstream mindset of which only the 9900K matches that level from Intel. Comet Lake is only going to add 2 cores and whether people understand the implications or not, it's going to hit hard in the mind share of the public.
 
TrixX said:
Why would there be driver support issues for the LTSC version? That doesn't make sense.

Though AMD used consoles to outperform the 'standard' Intel quad core PC is a hilarious and very very clever move by AMD in conjunction with Sony and Microsoft. In turn it's going to really shove the higher core (8+) CPU's into the mainstream mindset of which only the 9900K matches that level from Intel. Comet Lake is only going to add 2 cores and whether people understand the implications or not, it's going to hit hard in the mind share of the public.
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I think AMDs wider strategy is often overlooked. They do seem to have some proper joined up thinking going on. If they can just get the GPUs up to where Ryzen is they'll become a major player in the mainstream. They still have a way to go though, as even techy people I know don't really give them the credit they are due, given they are competing with Intel and Nvidia with relatively few resources.
 
michty_me said:
I have noticed a few threads lately mostly looking for a new system. I think we got out monies worth!!
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I one upped, and got tthe 2600k. Still getting long in the tooth. I'm tempted by the 16 core mainly for women as someone at work might get one and I can't get a lower model lol. Night keep me going for quite sometime.
 
theone8181 said:
I one upped, and got tthe 2600k. Still getting long in the tooth. I'm tempted by the 16 core mainly for women as someone at work might get one and I can't get a lower model lol. Night keep me going for quite sometime.
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It will either be the 8 core or the 12 core for myself. Just waiting on some bench results really before I decide. If the difference between the two is small, I may opt for the higher core chip to hopefully last me a bit longer.
 
By the time 12 cores is important for PC gaming, we'll be on Zen 4, so I'll probably be settling for the 8 core version.

Obviously there's more to it than just gaming for many people.
 
Participant said:
By the time 12 cores is important for PC gaming, we'll be on Zen 4, so I'll probably be settling for the 8 core version.

Obviously there's more to it than just gaming for many people.
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I'm banking on X570, PCIE 4.0, NVME, high core/decent clocking CPU with 16/32GB RAM lasting many generations of GPU. We'll see if it lasts as well as Sandybridge, I think it will as clock speed is reaching a limit and there are only do many cores you can add and supply power to. Progress will inevitably be slower and systems longer lasting imo.
 
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