AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Illuminist]

You could say that (Obviously you're being facetious though) in regards to the day one performance of said memory controllers.

I'm going to pipe in here and say that my 2700x couldnt run 3200mhz memory for over a year until the latest bios update, despite it being samsung b-die, it would boot loop forever on its rated profile even with the slackest timings ever

 

[chrcoluk]

Half the Asus boards have garbage VRM with four weak phases using very low end and only one high side FET.
The Stilt found ROG Strix B450-F overheating its VRM after 12 minutes of x264 encoding with stock 2700X.
Some Prime etc load would likely overheat it even faster.

Also Gigabyte uses similar VRM design in B450 mobos running risks.
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

Overheating with official specs and causing instability?

Or just overheating compared to temps typically seen on boards?

Although I suppose no surprise with asus who seem to be having a habit now of been best on top end boards, but lack lacklustre on mainstream.

 

[DragonQ]

Due around the end of May would make my day, but I'm only buying when an acceptable price/performance GPU above the Vega 64 is available.
I'm happy to spend about 1K on a set up for the CPU/GPU/Motherboard but no more.

Getting married in early June so might have to choose between Honeymoon and new rig.

 

[Martini1991]

Getting married in early June so might have to choose between Honeymoon and new rig.

It's probably the last time you'll be able to buy a new rig.
Congratulations though.

 

[michty_me]

A honeymoon lasts a few weeks, a new rig lasts a lot longer. Probably more pleasure too after the ring is on.

 

[Illuminist]

Getting married in early June so might have to choose between Honeymoon and new rig.

Enjoy your 3800x bro !! congrats

 

[Murphy]

RedGamingTech have done a followup on this, They say someone spoke to the retailer about these specs who confirmed they are correct and the CPU are due for launch at the end of May, stock due July / Aug.

As always consume this info with some Salt.

https://youtu.be/4mpGlO0Xizc?t=297

Sorry but I'm just not buying it, I could look really stupid in a month or so but the specs still seem like place holders to me, firstly because as had been mentioned it's highly likley that Zen2 will have larger L3 cache and secondly reading through the reddit thread on said conversations it seems something may have been lost in translation, the first screenshot is of the conversation between a German guy and a Turkish retailer and the second screenshot is of the German guy relaying the first conversation.

The German conversation apparently translates to this...

He:"Hi, i just called them and they said the clockspeeds are accurate. Because of turkey usually receiving things later I expect them to release [here (read:germany)] in july."

Me:"Thank you very much for the effort! That [read: the information you provided] makes me a lot less sceptical about the leaks "

He:"I did that gladly and yesterday i messaged the support via whatsapp. They told me [it's releasing in] august:

[link to the turkish whatsapp screenshot]

Nova Bilgisayer said that they didn't receive any technical information [read: specs]"

Feel free to translate the Turkish part, but i wouldn't put much faith in it as retailers have been know to make things up in the past.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD May 2019 investors presentation:
http://ir.amd.com/static-files/9c985e84-bbb6-4e23-99bd-dcbb21f18592

It says Ryzen 2 desktop will be a mid-year release and that Navi is Q3 for cloud gaming. Does this mean Navi is what Google Stadia is using??

 

[humbug]

Sorry but I'm just not buying it, I could look really stupid in a month or so but the specs still seem like place holders to me, firstly because as had been mentioned it's highly likley that Zen2 will have larger L3 cache and secondly reading through the reddit thread on said conversations it seems something may have been lost in translation, the first screenshot is of the conversation between a German guy and a Turkish retailer and the second screenshot is of the German guy relaying the first conversation.

The German conversation apparently translates to this...

Feel free to translate the Turkish part, but i wouldn't put much faith in it as retailers have been know to make things up in the past.

I'm not preaching it, merely reporting it, hence my disclaimer.

As always consume this info with some Salt.

AMD May 2019 investors presentation:
http://ir.amd.com/static-files/9c985e84-bbb6-4e23-99bd-dcbb21f18592

It says Ryzen 2 desktop will be a mid-year release and that Navi is Q3 for cloud gaming. Does this mean Navi is what Google Stadia is using??

When reading / viewing up on Staidia the claim from google was 17 TFlop GPU's, currently AMD's most powerful GPU is Radeon VII at 13.4 TFlops, so its not Vega.

 

[Murphy]

I'm not preaching it, merely reporting it, hence my disclaimer.

Indeed and i wasn't complaining as any info, irregardless of how questionable, is better than no info IMO, it gives me (us?) something to read/talk about and waste time on while waiting for release.

 

[humbug]

Indeed and i wasn't complaining as any info, irregardless of how questionable, is better than no info IMO, it gives me (us?) something to talk about and waste time on while waiting for release.

My thoughts exactly

 

[B12B6]

Regarding launch date, we are pretty close to it. AMD is expecting to make ~350million$ more Q2 than it did in Q1. It cant be consoles, Naples, consumer gpus, ryzen 2000, propably not cloud gpus ether. So only two options are Rome and Ryzen 3000. Watching those place holders, werent there rumor earlier AMD might stack the lineup with different size cahces to differentiante models? I dont see them using only 1 chiplet 8 cores or 6 core, all of them should be 2chiplet models, atleast to 4 core and lower parts. Its much easier to find higher clocking cores from 2 chips than 1. Also Rome hogs every full fat 8core chiplet they can make.

 

[Troezar]

Surely they test the cores before making the CCXs up? Otherwise I don't see the benefit over one monolithic chip, both could have defective cores.
I imagined they take all the cores, test them, rank them then pick 8 of the best for Epyc, next best for Threadripper and so on. Would they not just use 6 good cores for 6 core cpu rather than 2 bad + 6 good?

 

[kitfit1]

Surely they test the cores before making the CCXs up? Otherwise I don't see the benefit over one monolithic chip, both could have defective cores.
I imagined they take all the cores, test them, rank them then pick 8 of the best for Epyc, next best for Threadripper and so on. Would they not just use 6 good cores for 6 core cpu rather than 2 bad + 6 good?

I don't think for one min they pick the best cores for Epyc and the next best for Threadripper. Epyc cores certainly have to have the best power consumption along with very good TDP's because that is what really matters for Epyc, not the amount of bad cores.

 

[Ad_Augendae]

I'm going to pipe in here and say that my 2700x couldnt run 3200mhz memory for over a year until the latest bios update, despite it being samsung b-die, it would boot loop forever on its rated profile even with the slackest timings ever

I must have been Super Lucky because I built 2 1800X systems and various bios revisions later still @3200 all the way, 8 pack stuff though!

 

[Orange Nexus]

I'm going to pipe in here and say that my 2700x couldnt run 3200mhz memory for over a year until the latest bios update, despite it being samsung b-die, it would boot loop forever on its rated profile even with the slackest timings ever

Same here with an Asus motherboard. It wasn't till 0902 BIOS that came out Sept 2017 that allowed my FlareX to run at 3200 MHz CL14 using DOCP.

 

[LePhuronn]

I don't think for one min they pick the best cores for Epyc and the next best for Threadripper. Epyc cores certainly have to have the best power consumption along with very good TDP's because that is what really matters for Epyc, not the amount of bad cores.

I've said this before. It is entirely possible you can make up a Threadripper using comparatively duff chiplets. Imagine a bunch of chiplets that only have 4 working cores, but those cores can clock quite high, let's say 4.5GHz. These chiplets could be an Athlon or you could strap 8 of them together for a 32 core, 4.5GHz Threadripper.

That's the beauty of the chiplet design. You can be incredibly granular with the binning process and feed so many products and SKUs with it. Of course EPYC will get the most power efficient chiplets, but beyond that it's not so black and white as "top SKUs have the best silicon" any more, it's not needed.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

I agree.
I also think that it's a welcome headache for AMD to have; how do you properly bin and segment if you're spoilt for choice?

 

[matt1]

It's probably the last time you'll be able to buy a new rig.
Congratulations though.

Haha, I may have thought the same way in the past but this I’ve been quite honest about these new CPUs to the misses and looking forward to buying new cpu/ram/mobo.

If the 3700x does boost to 5Ghz that seems like a very appealing choice. I’m sure the 3600x would get there quite easily too and could probably save a bit of money. From my point of view it’s all about gaming so not too bothered about the core count.

 

[Steampunk]

Same here with an Asus motherboard. It wasn't till 0902 BIOS that came out Sept 2017 that allowed my FlareX to run at 3200 MHz CL14 using DOCP.

I always check the most recent qualified vendor list for the motherboard, and get some RAM listed on that. At least you know that product has been tested and is supported properly, instead of waiting for some time in the future when it might be supported, and all the associated hassles until that becomes the case.