AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[beany_bot]

I'm pretty confused...

Most people seem to expect a ryzen release soon after announcement at CES.

Yet people are saying there are no new boards until at least computex???

That doesn't add up.

 

[kitfit1]

I'm pretty confused...

Most people seem to expect a ryzen release soon after announcement at CES.

Yet people are saying there are no new boards until at least computex???

That doesn't add up.

I don't think anyone suggested Ryzen 2 would be released soon after CES. What a lot of us are expecting is some sort of announcement with regards to SKU's and maybe some benchmarks. Personally, i expect both the SKU's and mobo's to be released at COMPUTEX.

 

[lltfdaniel]

Will my gigabyte x 470 aorus gaming 7 wifi be able to handle the next batch of processors without upgrading to x 570 motherboard?

This is why i went with a top end motherboard because of things like this.

 

[kitfit1]

Will my gigabyte x 470 aorus gaming 7 wifi be able to handle the next batch of processors without upgrading to x 570 motherboard?

This is why i went with a top end motherboard because of things like this.

I'm not shure why this question keeps being asked, it's already been said loads of times in this thread and others that AMD have said AM4 will be supported until 2020 at least. The real question should be, will mobo manufactures carry on supporting 370's and 470's. Over the years they have become so used to Intel's "churning" of mobo's with every CPU release they have got used to the extra revenue. All current mobo's will work with Ryzen 2, as long as the mobo manufactures carry on giving us bios updates for the CPU's.

 

[lltfdaniel]

I'm not shure why this question keeps being asked, it's already been said loads of times in this thread and others that AMD have said AM4 will be supported until 2020 at least. The real question should be, will mobo manufactures carry on supporting 370's and 470's. Over the years they have become so used to Intel's "churning" of mobo's with every CPU release they have got used to the extra revenue. All current mobo's will work with Ryzen 2, as long as the mobo manufactures carry on giving us bios updates for the CPU's.

Okay thank you.

Did seem like a dumb question but i was concerned.

Dan.

 

[KentMan]

Will my gigabyte x 470 aorus gaming 7 wifi be able to handle the next batch of processors without upgrading to x 570 motherboard?

This is why i went with a top end motherboard because of things like this.

We don't know 100% yet

Only rumors we have seen point to an R9 series high end Ryzen much like a Thread ripper core count that would need the x570 board.

I'm pretty confident that Zen2 will drop into x370 and x470 for most of the SKUs.

Bit like Intel with the 9900k if you want to run it properly you need z390 but it will work on z370 as well.

Just with AMD I see this only being true of the extreme core count edition, I think most of the SKU will run properly on x470 etc.

 

[lltfdaniel]

There could be a sticky regarding what @kitfit1 said.

Yeah the more cores and threads will start to really stress whatever motherboard you have more.

As for me i am waiting to upgrade to zen 3 or 4000 series and might go with an 8 core 16 thread processor and not thread ripper territory as @KentMan said so my motherboard can run the processor but yeah rumors anyways could be true or false until it becomes 100% clear.

Anyways we will all witness what zen 2 has to offer and also the motherboard clout.

 

[kitfit1]

There could be a sticky regarding what @kitfit1 said.

Yeah the more cores and threads will start to really stress whatever motherboard you have more.

On the face of it, that would seem to be true. The move to 7nm though will mean less stress on VRM's and lower voltage on the cpu. Even if core count's doubled (i doubt they will on consumer SKU's), i think that current top end mobo's (CH6 and CH7) will have no issues running and overclocking Ryzen 2.

 

[lltfdaniel]

On the face of it, that would seem to be true. The move to 7nm though will mean less stress on VRM's and lower voltage on the cpu. Even if core count's doubled (i doubt they will on consumer SKU's), i think that current top end mobo's (CH6 and CH7) will have no issues running and overclocking Ryzen 2.

This definitely should be on some faq/frequently asked questions thread.

Anyways thanks for correcting me.

Sorry but i did not have the time to look at every post on this thread.

 

[4K8KW10]

Lower voltage on the CPU doesn't necessarily mean less stress on the motherboard. Anyways, if we don't push too much the frequencies, everything will be normal.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Or we could try discussing it like normal adults, without the accusations of being "fanboys" and nonsense trash talk like this.

Well you seem to be one of the only ones here trying to downplay the new Ryzen chips when the vvast majority of people are hyped for it

 

[pete910]

Well you seem to be one of the only ones here trying to downplay the new Ryzen chips when the vvast majority of people are hyped for it

No, He's trying to convey to keep the expectations realistic, 5GHZ with a 15% + IPC is not!

seeing some real salty intel fanboys on this page lmao, cant wait for the 3000 series to send them into a coma

Comments like that are not helpful and nothing to do with being hyped or not. YOU ARE TROLLING

 

[d_brennen]

I think 5GHz turbo on at least single core is a given, probably lightly threaded all core too on top bin parts, given what has been said of the process

 

[EsaT]

On the face of it, that would seem to be true. The move to 7nm though will mean less stress on VRM's and lower voltage on the cpu. Even if core count's doubled (i doubt they will on consumer SKU's), i think that current top end mobo's (CH6 and CH7) will have no issues running and overclocking Ryzen 2.

Top X470 motherboards have such extremely oversized VRMs they shouldn't have any problems with even 16c/32t unless clocked very agressively.

TSMC's High Performance 7nm is lot better than GloFo's originally Samsung mobile SOC node used for making current Ryzens.
In Rome announcement AMD said like 50% power for same performance.

 

[d_brennen]

Server parts are clocked at the sweet spot on the power curve, same perf at 50% power seems perfectly reasonable. +25% performance, say, depending on workload, could be power parity with the previous gen or even more

 

[4K8KW10]

Top X470 motherboards have such extremely oversized VRMs they shouldn't have any problems with even 16c/32t unless clocked very agressively.

Coolers have specifications which state up to how much W they can handle. Do the oversized VRMs have such specifications, too?

 

[EsaT]

Coolers have specifications which state up to how much W they can handle. Do the oversized VRMs have such specifications, too?

TDP/watt specification of coolers is really meaningless, because just like SPL of fans they don't have any credible/real measuring standards.
Components of VRMs again have combined max current capability.
Likely high end around 500A level.
Well, 10x IR3555 makes 600A max.
Though VRM's are certainly going to require special cooling at those output currents, because waste power amount is in class of high end CPU's heat output.
Also PCB tracks might be running "tiny bit" hot at such currents.

 

[Mercutio]

I'm not shure why this question keeps being asked, it's already been said loads of times in this thread and others that AMD have said AM4 will be supported until 2020 at least. The real question should be, will mobo manufactures carry on supporting 370's and 470's. Over the years they have become so used to Intel's "churning" of mobo's with every CPU release they have got used to the extra revenue. All current mobo's will work with Ryzen 2, as long as the mobo manufactures carry on giving us bios updates for the CPU's.

kitfit - I think he's talking about the power delivery stuff being discussed.

My understanding is that everything up to the 3700X should go in an X470 board. The R9 chips (3850X etc) will generally need a halo tier X470 or a newer X570 board due to power needs.

Edit: Should have read more, more or less covered with fair counters.

 

[kitfit1]

kitfit - I think he's talking about the power delivery stuff being discussed.

My understanding is that everything up to the 3700X should go in an X470 board. The R9 chips (3850X etc) will generally need a halo tier X470 or a newer X570 board due to power needs.

Edit: Should have read more, more or less covered with fair counters.

You could well be correct with regards to the 3850X (if they do release it). Personally i have every intention of getting an X570 anyway, i didn't move to an X470 when dropping a 2700X into my CH6. It just makes sense to me after having the CH6 for over 2 years to move it on before it becomes worthless. That could well change though if a 3850X clocks like mad in my CH6, just have to wait and see.

 

[Journey]

You could well be correct with regards to the 3850X (if they do release it). Personally i have every intention of getting an X570 anyway, i didn't move to an X470 when dropping a 2700X into my CH6. It just makes sense to me after having the CH6 for over 2 years to move it on before it becomes worthless. That could well change though if a 3850X clocks like mad in my CH6, just have to wait and see.

I think the CH6 should be fine, it has really good power delivery and control and that is what would count with a 135w base TDP CPU. Then again if you are still into overclocking, you'd hope that they will release the 3800X with the same specs e.g. core count/L3 cache and it just have different base/boost clocks, which you can then overclock to a similar/same speed as the 3850X before it is announced/launched to assure best quality silicon before pre-binning for 3850X's.