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My point is, one does not need to spend so much more on AMD more than an equivalent intel i9 system to match it like some are trying hard to portray.
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My point is, one does not need to spend so much more on AMD more than an equivalent intel i9 system to match it like some are trying hard to portray.
From a technological standpoint, it would be odd if the performance was worse for the same core count and TDP. Based on everything else we've seen that isn't the case so maybe this benchmark is just poorly performed. However, from a perf/price standpoint, even if this benchmark is accurate it still whoops the £350 i7-8700K at under £200.3229 on Cinebench R20 on Ryzen 5 3600 65W CPU that on 7nm?
Wow that awful, it is just has same performance as i7 8700 65W CPU on 14nm.
Not very impressive and slight slower than my 8700K.
I would be impressed if it was 35W CPU.
Let see games benchmarks but I think it will have poor performance.
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I hope MSI b450 carbon ac will handle 3600X without an issues
very curious about UK prices
very curious about UK prices
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That feels almost unfair. Diminishing the advantage of the larger cache instead of saying that Ryzen has established a new base level of how large a cache should be.
And my point is that your view is too narrow. You aren't considering the rest of the person's system. You may have a VR headset, you may want to crossfire/sli, you may have a fast net connection or want to transfer data around quickly.
Depending on the rest of your system, the Tuf may not work. Then it does become Formula vs Formula and if the x570 one is more expensive then so be it. I personally don't care, I think if you need the features that the formula offers then you can afford the extra $300usd it maybe costs to get setup on the Ryzen 3000 system and you still have the upside of 4 extra cpu cores.
What people are going to complain about is the perception of value. Just this generation, people moaned about Nvidia charging higher prices for higher performance and extra features. Well now we're seeing the exact same thing with CPU's and Motherboards. Everyone wants more money than they did the previous generation for the equivalent model
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Before you write another novel, i just like to clear something . . . i was responding at awaybreaktoday's post saying an equivalent AMD system will cost 350£ more compared to an i9 system.
Do you mean by doing a straight CPU upgrade rather than full system upgrade?
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That's just not even remotely true.
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You post it on the Navi thread, and you deleted it from the CPU section where it belongs. Why?
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Have you seen the comment section on that video? He is mauled like never before because his whole case and argument is flawed.
Steve is using slow paced ingame benchmark videos trying to make his case. Not fast paced actual gaming like AMD did, and the target of streaming is all about.
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are you trying to reason people on internet?
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Gamer nexus getting in the neck from the the AMD army, rightfully so.
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Yup. His whole test is flawed and you cannot make a valid case when you say there is no difference, so no need for extra power, when doing a slow motion benchmark.
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That is not a valid argument IMO.
If AMD reduce their prices then mobo makers or retailers just price gouge.
The reality here is that AMD's CPUs are core for core cheaper than Intel, whereas the mobos are more expensive. If anyone should be reducing prices then it is mobo makers. However they have XYZ reasons for not doing so.
The reality is that you can buy an X470 or B450 mobo for your AMD CPU.
If you think that there's dubious pricing going on, vote with your feet; buying the similar performing previous gen that comes with almost exactly the same features minus PCIE4.
When I first saw the video those comm ets weren’t t up yet. I don’t know too much about streaming I must admit so I took the video at its word as GN is one of the few youtubers I think does an excellent job and is not biased.
The part I found really funny which Steve brought up is that Lisa Su effectively dissed her products too when she said sorry to the dudes using 8 core cpus and trying to stream. Obviously targeting Intel but maybe not the best idea to phrase it in a way that makes your own upcoming 8 core cpus look bad as well.
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Yep, however the whole argument was for the 3900X. 3800X has the same perf issues on those settings with 9900K. Nobody argues about that.
and yet again steves missing the point the test wasnt misleading, he even states the results are repeatable but they didnt try that because reasons, was it a fair test as to how most streamers stream today, no. but as someone who games at 1440p and streams on and off having the extra power to stream at 1440p (or 4k for others) will probably be nice to produce a better quality but hey no one will ever want to move on from 1080p i guess. this video comes across as click bait making outrage out of nothing to try and fill the void until july.