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[Martini1991]

So did these pre orders happen anywhere then ?

 

[Gee]

So did these pre orders happen anywhere then ?

No. Editor from Computerbase (that German site) posted on it. No preorders, even Lisa at the keynote didn’t mention it. Misinformation from Steve Burke @ GN. Hard launch Sunday.

 

[emodan]

Still tempted to go for the B450 Carbon especially thanks to it having BIOS Flashback. Although I do have access to a Ryzen 3 1200 so don't really need it

 

[8 Pack]

Happy my B350 takes a fully overclocked 3700X

Well it does not!!! 3200mhz mem max supported.........

 

[Gee]

It is correct, all you need to do is visit Gigabyte's website if you are still unsure. But you don't have to as I've already done it some time ago . X370 Gaming X series of MoBos from GB are all compatible all the way up to the new 12-core.

It’s not whether the Gigabyte website says so, it’s down the whether the VRM’s etc will handle it. Says the AB350 Gaming will support the 12 core, but would you run it on that? No. It’d have an aneurysm.

 

[strumpusplunket]

Probably something to do with the better traces & PCB thickness (to comply with PCI-E 4.0 standards). Plus the fact that most X570 will be daisy chained as opposed to T-topology like what was on a fair amount of X370/470 boards.

Well, thanks for trying to clarify, but I still don't know what this means in practice - does it mean memory latency is higher? That faster memory speeds are less likely to be achievable? That performance is poorer even at the same CPU and memory clocks?

 

[8 Pack]

Same CPU and memory clocks.... poor relative perf..... Efficiency

 

[Gee]

Well, thanks for trying to clarify, but I still don't know what this means in practice - does it mean memory latency is higher? That faster memory speeds are less likely to be achievable? That performance is poorer even at the same CPU and memory clocks?

I think the higher memory frequencies will be harder to achieve on 370/470 personally. I think performance (CPU) wise, maybe a couple of percent. Wait until Sunday and go from there. Pretty confident 3200C14 will be perfectly fine for most users.

 

[strumpusplunket]

Same CPU and memory clocks.... poor relative perf..... Efficiency

Right. Thanks for the clarification.

Any hints how much poorer we're talking? Few percent?

If it's more than that I guess I'll have to start adding in a new motherboard to the cost of any upgrade I do later this year.

 

[Illuminist]

So it looks like from doing a quick search that the cheapest x470 that supports all its the gaming Pro carbon?

 

[orbitalwalsh]

So it looks like from doing a quick search that the cheapest x470 that supports all its the gaming Pro carbon?

x470 MSI Carbon > Taichi (basic) > Aorus 7 > Crosshair 7 -- price wise with cheapest first

resellers could intheory bump up price by £20-30 and get away with it lol

 

[Illuminist]

x470 MSI Carbon > Taichi (basic) > Aorus 7 > Crosshair 7 -- price wise with cheapest first

Yeah that's what it looked like to me too, thanks for that. My ultra gaming gigabyte is a pile of poo it seems

 

[maltrabob]

It’s not whether the Gigabyte website says so, it’s down the whether the VRM’s etc will handle it. Says the AB350 Gaming will support the 12 core, but would you run it on that? No. It’d have an aneurysm.

I'd expect GB be fully aware of what their own poducts are capable of handling before releasing a new BIOS supporting new CPUs.

 

[Gee]

I'd expect GB be fully aware of what their own poducts are capable of handling before releasing a new BIOS supporting new CPUs.

Dunno about you but I wouldn't feel comfortable running a 12c/24t CPU on a board like that. Especially once you take into consideration the extra load from enabling XFR/PBO etc.

 

[Journey]

Any hints how much poorer we're talking? Few percent?

It's pure FUD spreading, nothing you should even be taking notice of.

If you are running a CPU and RAM at the same speed, with all the same sub-timings on two different boards there will be such a small difference it would be margin of error and could be related to BCLK at 0.1MHz higher etc. but if there is a measurable difference above 0.5% consistently then I'd suspect the O/S or software before I'd suspect the hardware.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

That and him wanting to sell you a new mobo...

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Yeah that's what it looked like to me too, thanks for that. My ultra gaming gigabyte is a pile of poo it seems

Going for 3700/3800 should be fine - no harm in trying as you know you've got options . But yeah, Gigabyte has come leaps and bounds from x470/z370 to z390 and now x570 .

Glad Went for flagship Aorus, also had friends buy flagship X370/470 with the knowledge they'll be better for future upgrades, specially when a vendor drops ' 16+ cores' on their latest social media posts and it goes unnoticed lol

 

[maltrabob]

I think the higher memory frequencies will be harder to achieve on 370/470 personally. I think performance (CPU) wise, maybe a couple of percent. Wait until Sunday and go from there. Pretty confident 3200C14 will be perfectly fine for most users.

We shall see. I am able to run a good memory kit at 3500 MHz CL16 on Ryzen 1700X. Now I do expect Ryzen 3800X to have much better memory controller so I don't deem 3600 MHz CL16 or even 3733 MHz CL16 unthinkable.

 

[HRL]

Well that sounds like my indecision between a 3900X and a 3950X has been made for me.

Crappy Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming X470.

3900X it is then.

 

[Gee]

We shall see. I am able to run a good memory kit at 3500 MHz CL16 on Ryzen 1700X. Now I do expect Ryzen 3800X to have much better memory controller so I don't think 3600 MHz CL16 or 3733 MHz CL16 is unthinkable.

I imagine 3600C16 is pretty much a given on Gen3. Once those timings are tightened it'll be down to the quality of the memory/IMC imo. Think we'll see a lot of people buying 4000Mhz+ kits this generation for the better bin.