AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Participant]

Where is Fun in that ??

Better performance is quite fun. I'll be leaving it alone if that's better for games, and manually overclocking only if that's better.

Anyway 3600 + B450 is looking a better bet every day.

 

[Nghtmare]

Also the Crosshair VII Hero is less than half the price of the Crosshair VIII Formula.

Obviously you'll get PCIE 4.0 but I really struggle to see that it's going to be significantly better.

I have one waiting on the box. Already flashed the latest BIOS, last step is to buy the 3800X.

 

[Zeed]

Better performance is quite fun. I'll be leaving it alone if that's better for games, and manually overclocking only if that's better.

Anyway 3600 + B450 is looking a better bet every day.

I'm buying purely for tweeking fun. Only thing I'm playing atm is My Friend Pedro

 

[emodan]

Better performance is quite fun. I'll be leaving it alone if that's better for games, and manually overclocking only if that's better.

Anyway 3600 + B450 is looking a better bet every day.

I have a feeling that's the route I will go as PCIE 4 NVME is a hell of a jump in price and I have no plans to upgrade my RTX 2080 until 2021 when I guess PCIE5 will be out.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Exactly, it is easy to find itx case with good price, but it is hard to find compact ATX case (cerberus x style) for a good price.

The Riotoro CR1080 is very small for an ATX case,but it does not have handles unless you can make your own.

If they are so bad at overclocking like he says, then why is AMD hyping PBO so much...

Maybe because PBO will the best way to get any overclock??

What did You expected ?? I said if I culd hit Max boost on All core IT's better outcome than I expected.

I don't overclock CPUs anymore so it doesn't affect me,but AMD has a history of pushing stock clockspeeds to the limit.

That cPU looks damaged

It could be a glint due to the flash??

 

[ben90]

I found PBO pushes the volts to scary levels of 1.45-1.55 sometimes so i dialed in a perma OC on all cores of 4.35 @1.45 and it stays like that most of the time.

PBO is designed to push what ever volts it deems safe through the motherboard. It might do 1.5v+ but how long does it stay there? Robert has spoken a few times about this and says that those volts are acceptable if they are for fairly brief periods of time. What I gathered is that PBO is designed to work that way, as it is programmed not to over volt past what is safe. It's more about the average volts which have been through the chip over an extended amount of time.

Edit- found the original post at this applies to XFR, so I'm not sure if PBO is different.

 

[Gee]

People still watch that Science Studio ****? Jeez.

 

[Gee]

I found PBO pushes the volts to scary levels of 1.45-1.55 sometimes so i dialed in a perma OC on all cores of 4.35 @1.45 and it stays like that most of the time.

AMD designed it that way. I see spikes to 1.5/1.55v on my 2700X with PBO enabled. A half second pike to 1.55v isn't going to damage your chip.

 

[Ross Thomson]

I take it you've never worked in media production then. Uncompressed 16bit RED 4K raw footage at 60fps is about 8.5 Gbit/s. 12bit is 6.4 Gbit/s. SATA won't handle that.

Do many people here have red cameras?

 

[DragonQ]

Manual overclocking has been dead for years. Even on Intel's platform there is no headroom left. Whack on MCE and you've got a 5 GHz i9-9900K, there really isn't much more to go with that chip unless you have a custom water loop or better. The same will be true for Ryzen 3000, except that lower SKUs are still unlocked so might have a bit more headroom.

 

[Robert896r1]

Manual overclocking has been dead for years. Even on Intel's platform there is no headroom left. Whack on MCE and you've got a 5 GHz i9-9900K, there really isn't much more to go with that chip unless you have a custom water loop or better. The same will be true for Ryzen 3000, except that lower SKUs are still unlocked so might have a bit more headroom.

The main reason on intel, like the 9900k is to reduce the volts manually to keep the temps in check but yeah, it's not like my 2600k for exmpale where you'd have a poor chip that would OC to 4.4ghz and golden samples upto 5.2ghz on air. That was quite a lottery back then.

The range of a 9900k is 4.9 to 5.1 all core on ambient.

 

[RavenXXX2]

for that prices i stay with Intel
overpriced junk from AMD

 

[kaiserc]

I found PBO pushes the volts to scary levels of 1.45-1.55 sometimes so i dialed in a perma OC on all cores of 4.35 @1.45 and it stays like that most of the time.

It's designed to do that and also use the headroom of your motherboard
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prAaADB9Kck

and this https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/1145790749511946241

We are on the 3rd generation of Ryzen, and we knew at 2nd gen that overclocking wasn't really worth it for the x chips.

Just concentrate on great cooling, ram speed and timings , let the cpu do the rest - don't worry

 

[humbug]

489£ for the 3900X is pretty much a dream to be honest.

£240 for the 3600 is near 20% more than i was expecting, how does it go from $199 to £240?

 

[Nghtmare]

Manual overclocking has been dead for years. Even on Intel's platform there is no headroom left. Whack on MCE and you've got a 5 GHz i9-9900K, there really isn't much more to go with that chip unless you have a custom water loop or better. The same will be true for Ryzen 3000, except that lower SKUs are still unlocked so might have a bit more headroom.

Im going to be running 3800X, C7 Hero, 16GB of 8 Pack Samsung B Die, and a Strix 1080ti. We will see how that performs.

 

[Phate]

snpi

bwahaha

 

[Orange Nexus]

Im going to be running 3800X, C7 Hero, 16GB of 8 Pack Samsung B Die, and a Strix 1080ti. We will see how that performs.

The 3800X might run same way on my B350F Strix when left on its own devices. Your C7 should handle a 12-core easy.

 

[LePhuronn]

Well, with matx mobo you can have a dicent onboard audio + extra 2 pci slot and + extra 2 ram slot.

Other day i bought a asrock Fatal1ty Z370 itx and the audio was terrible compared to my x370 taichi that has the same audio chip. The quality difference was probably due to only quantity of capacitors, as on ITX you dont have space for nothing there.

And you use those extra slots for what, exactly? Or, more specifically, if you have a use for more than 1 GPU as the only card in the system then you have an above-standard use case, and ITX isn't a consideration. Same goes for 4 DIMMs. And this is the point, generally-speaking a standard use case would be 1 GPU, 2 DIMMs and a couple of SATA drives or 1 NVMe drive. Anything bigger than ITX is a waste of space.

And audio is what you pay for. The cheaper ITX boards can have rubbish onboard just in the same way as cheaper ATX boards can have rubbish onboard. But look at the Strix ITX line for example with its dedicated sound card. But again, if you're picky about your audio quality then you wouldn't look at any old onboard, you'd know your stuff and find out which onboard comes with which mobo, and if you're really discerning to extent you want dedicated sound then ITX isn't a consideration.

 

[LePhuronn]

Do many people here have red cameras?

Probably not, but that's irrelevant. I was responding to the claim that SATA is sufficient for 4K video, which in turn was a counter to Journey's use case which sounds very much like a production environment.

 

[StriderX]

And you use those extra slots for what, exactly? Or, more specifically, if you have a use for more than 1 GPU as the only card in the system then you have an above-standard use case, and ITX isn't a consideration. Same goes for 4 DIMMs. And this is the point, generally-speaking a standard use case would be 1 GPU, 2 DIMMs and a couple of SATA drives or 1 NVMe drive. Anything bigger than ITX is a waste of space.

And audio is what you pay for. The cheaper ITX boards can have rubbish onboard just in the same way as cheaper ATX boards can have rubbish onboard. But look at the Strix ITX line for example with its dedicated sound card. But again, if you're picky about your audio quality then you wouldn't look at any old onboard, you'd know your stuff and find out which onboard comes with which mobo, and if you're really discerning to extent you want dedicated sound then ITX isn't a consideration.

Ew, if you're really discerning about Audio, you'd find something with optical out and use an exterior system (DAC/AMP), an expansion card is just... not relevant anymore really.