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so therefore because b550 is ASMedia, rather than by AMD like x570, it will be crap / nothing special? I like to pointlessly speculate you see :D
 
muon said:
A520 is completely different to the B550.

It;s not that STeve has more information than say Hardware Unboxed. He just has atrocious charts. The graphics cards ones are the worst. I really don't care how a 1060 compares in a 2080ti review.
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Still an ASMedia design, not AMD in-house.

Like I said though, if you want easy to read charts, you go to Techpowerup.com or watch Linus. I'd be all over Ian @ Anandtech if I could but he's not well due to family issues at the moment, so he's getting a colleague to do them.

g67575 said:
so therefore because b550 is ASMedia, rather than by AMD like x570, it will be crap / nothing special? I like to pointlessly speculate you see :D
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It'll be a pretty pointless chipset if you ask me, if it doesn't come with PCI-E 4.0. May as well get an X470/B450 board.
 
Can’t wait anymore for reviews.

Once the reviews are out all this geekbench junk will disappear where it belongs because geekbench is no good
 
Kashinoda said:
Here's the detailed result, seems to be 4.3GHz all core.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13678723.gb4

The 4.2GHz result on the same board/ram is only a little lower at 5843
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13678648
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Problem is if the base shows up as 3.6ghz then it is at stock. Why the changing boost clock?

On other boards when overclocked you can see the base is increased (this mirrors how the 2700x shows up when overclocked).

g67575 said:
Unless AMD decides to arbitrarily make only b550/x570 compatible with future 2020 cpus...
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They said they would only stop future compatibility of something major changes, like say pin count.

Even B550/x570 aren't guaranteed to last, as the AM4 socket could in theory be retired in 2020.
 
Gee said:
A520 is rumoured to only support PCIe 3.0 too, but it's still an ASMedia design.

It's in-depth stuff, will be more in-depth this time around as they've changed their CPU testing suite to include more games & benchmarks. If you want simple stuff, you've got Linus.
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Has nothing to do with being in depth or not, he simply delivers a lot of information too quickly and it really just feels like he's reading the review word for word from his website.

Then you goto his website and they don't even highlight the CPU/GPUs in each benchmark visual, but they do on the video. :D

His case reviews are probably the best so there we go.
 
g67575 said:
That's true, but I notice there is limited or possibly no support for B350/ X370 for Zen 2 / Ryzen 3000 cpus, according to this:

https://www.extremetech.com/g00/3_c...428f138.rx78ox3fq98k.uizsx3dquiom_$/$/$/$/$/$

Don't know how accurate this info is though.

What if AMD decide the same thing again for b450/x470 for Zen 3?
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That doesn't make sense. They are all AM4 boards. B350/X370/B450/X470/B550/X570 will all become obsolete together when something like the pin count changes or DDR5 gets adopted.

It does require updating the BIOS and that is in the motherboard manufacturers hands.
 
Well, there won't be firmware updates for some / most 300 series boards by the sound of it. Not so hard to believe they might not bother to do firmware updates for some older boards for Zen 3.
 
muon said:
Nah, their charts with 200 different bars on one chart (with labelling fonts that makes everything look the same) are impossible to read.
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Right, lmao.

Kashinoda said:
His case reviews are probably the best so there we go.
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Well there’s one thing we can both agree on. I won’t go into detail on 90% of reviewers when the Cooler Master H500 (non-mesh) came out. Steve was the only one who bad-mouthed it, because it was absolutely terrible.
 
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g67575 said:
Well, there won't be firmware updates for some / most 300 series boards by the sound of it. Not so hard to believe they might not bother to do firmware updates for some older boards for Zen 3.
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Because a lot of B350/X370 boards don’t have the VRMs or build quality to support them. Look at that top end MSI X370 board that was like £300 at launch, it was awful.

If you cheaped out on a board like that, don’t expect the motherboard vendors to continue supporting them 3+ years down the line.

They’ll want people to switch to a newer chipset.
 
Trouble is, a lot of people will buy a x470/b450 in 2019 and it could be obsolete by next year.

Same for 500 series, but I think less likely.
 
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g67575 said:
Also, theres some evidence Zen 3 will launch in 2020 here:

https://eteknix-eteknixltd.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/AMD-Zen_3-800x450.jpg

Notice how 2021 has been left off. So it's pretty vague. Seems doable though, as its a process improvement, rather than say 6/5nm.

If it's true, AMD have also said they will support AM4 until 2020, therefore Zen3 = AM4 socket.

EDIT - Unless they release a new socket in 2020 as well lol
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Zen 3 will come out later in 2020. Since Zen 2 will be the latest and greatest at the beginning of 2020, they will have fulfilled their promise.

As you have correctly identified they could release Zen 3 on a different socket in 2020 if they wanted without breaking that promise. However, from the sound of things they'd only do it if forced to do so for technological reasons.
 
Does anyone else think the top end AMD Navi GFX cards (e.g. RX 5900 and RX 5950) will be delayed, due to not performing well enough to compete with Nvidia's new Super series?

I hope the RX 5800 will be released soon and give Nvidia's 2070 + Super version a kick up the arse and force them to drop prices.
 
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g67575 said:
Does anyone else think the top end AMD Navi GFX cards (e.g. RX 5900 and RX 5950) will be delayed, due to not performing well enough to compete with Nvidia's new Super series?

I hope the RX 5800 will be released soon and give Nvidia's 2070 + Super version a kick up the arse and force them to drop prices.
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@Gibbo already said they have them stocked and ready 7/7.
 
AMD have stated that there are no immediate plans to change the socket, which is taken to mean that Zen 3 will also be AM4.
I'd say it is very likely that AM5 only appears when DDR5 is ready.

I also don't get why anyone would want RAM above 3733MHz on a Ryzen CPU. Beyond that you see worse latency due to IF divider. Anyone needing the extra bandwidth is likely better suited to TR and the extra memory channels anyway. AMD's charts showed very little difference between 3200MHz and 3733MHz in terms of latency, and if the extra L3 cache is worth it's salt then the net effect of reduced latency RAM is going to be significantly lower anyway. I feel like people are being blinded by headline figures instead of using a bit of nouse and analysing what we're seeing.
 
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