AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Cooper]

I also don't get why anyone would want RAM above 3733MHz on a Ryzen CPU. Beyond that you see worse latency due to IF divider. Anyone needing the extra bandwidth is likely better suited to TR and the extra memory channels anyway. AMD's charts showed very little difference between 3200MHz and 3733MHz in terms of latency, and if the extra L3 cache is worth it's salt then the net effect of reduced latency RAM is going to be significantly lower anyway. I feel like people are being blinded by headline figures instead of using a bit of nouse and analysing what we're seeing.

The word comes down that 3733Mhz is the magic number and suddenly people rush to buy 3600Mhz+RAM kits, meaning prices suddenly rise, but that doesn't matter because the extra 1-2fps that you 'might' get from spending 100% more than you need to compared to a decent 3200Mhz kit, which will in all probability very easily overclock to at least 3400Mhz, making the 3600/3733 speed matter even less...is oh so worth it .

Honestly, They're like sheep being herded into a pen.

 

[g67575]

@Gibbo already said they have them stocked and ready 7/7.

Sorry, couldn't find that post, could you post a link please?

 

[Vish Petrol]

Still no bios for the x370 taichi

The only reason I bought this board in the first place is because it had one of the best designs with power phases/VRM's which I thought would be better for future proofing since AM4 was supposed to be supported until next year.

I would have been happy with a 3700x or 3900x which would have lasted me several years but at the moment my x370 taichi is at a dead end. Upgrading to a 2700x will get me at most 200mhz with barely any IPC increase if I get a good chip.

I would have been better off buying an 8700k/7700k back then as there was a noticeable difference between mine and my friends pc which are similar spec wise apart from the processor and he bought a 7700k for less than my 1700.

Why even bother labelling all the boards AM4 if they aren't cross compatible? I hope ASrock are able to provide a bios update.

 

[chroniclard]

AMD have stated that there are no immediate plans to change the socket, which is taken to mean that Zen 3 will also be AM4.
I'd say it is very likely that AM5 only appears when DDR5 is ready.

I also don't get why anyone would want RAM above 3733MHz on a Ryzen CPU. Beyond that you see worse latency due to IF divider. Anyone needing the extra bandwidth is likely better suited to TR and the extra memory channels anyway. AMD's charts showed very little difference between 3200MHz and 3733MHz in terms of latency, and if the extra L3 cache is worth it's salt then the net effect of reduced latency RAM is going to be significantly lower anyway. I feel like people are being blinded by headline figures instead of using a bit of nouse and analysing what we're seeing.

No doubt we will see a gaming comparison with different ram speeds and timings in the coming weeks so we can decide whats the best. Tighter timings coupled with 3200+ offered quite significant benefits last time. Remains to be seen if that will still be the case at higher speeds.

 

[Sin_Chase]

The word comes down that 3733Mhz is the magic number and suddenly people rush to buy 3600Mhz+RAM kits, meaning prices suddenly rise, but that doesn't matter because the extra 1-2fps that you 'might' get from spending 100% more than you need to compared to a decent 3200Mhz kit, which will in all probability very easily overclock to at least 3400Mhz, making the 3600/3733 speed matter even less...is oh so worth it .

Honestly, They're like sheep being herded into a pen.

If the target mem freq. is 3733 for the fastest 1:1 IF why WOULDNT you want to target this speed.

You criticising people for it is like complaining people are buying motherboards which support better overclocking when they should spend half as much on a bog standard bare minimum board.

Why don't you focus on what matters to you instead of slinging mud on a perfectly acceptable goal.

 

[whiterabbit]

When can we order from OcUK? Sunday?

Would like to know the answer too. What time do sales go live?

 

[DragonQ]

Still no bios for the x370 taichi

X470 Tiachi Ultimate got its non-beta ComboPI AGESA update over a month after the X470 Taichi, I expect the X370 Taichi is next on ASRock's list.

But performance is better with DDR4 4000, even on a budget board, particulary in games such as Fallout 4. But I think DDR 5 will yield much greater gains.

Not necessarily. Any RAM speed over 3733 MT/s results in the infinity fabric divider halving, which hurts latency and thus will probably hurt performance in scenarios like gaming.

Also, theres some evidence Zen 3 will launch in 2020 here:

https://eteknix-eteknixltd.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/AMD-Zen_3-800x450.jpg

Notice how 2021 has been left off. So it's pretty vague. Seems doable though, as its a process improvement, rather than say 6/5nm.

If it's true, AMD have also said they will support AM4 until 2020, therefore Zen3 = AM4 socket.

EDIT - Unless they release a new socket in 2020 as well lol

I think it's very likely Zen 3 will be on AM4. Even if it releases in late 2020, DDR5 won't be ready by then, which is the only real reason for them to change sockets. A jump to DDR5 and potentially PCIe 5.0 in 2021 seems more sensible, although even that could continue to be on AM4, or some variant like AM4+. AMD doesn't tend to change sockets unless they really need to.

The real question is, what killer feature will X670 have when Zen 3 launches? X470 had StoreMI, X570 has PCIe 4.0...

 

[Orange Nexus]

Sorry, couldn't find that post, could you post a link please?

My bad. I was referring to NAVI 5700 series. Yah, no word yet on the 5800.

 

[s6545]

I'm wondering if there could be an AM4+ socket 2020 q3/q4 to support Zen 3. It would be short lived though if thats the case. Unless it supports DDR4 and 5.

There's been an AM2+ and AM3+ afterall.

 

[Martini1991]

Does anyone else think the top end AMD Navi GFX cards (e.g. RX 5900 and RX 5950) will be delayed, due to not performing well enough to compete with Nvidia's new Super series?

I hope the RX 5800 will be released soon and give Nvidia's 2070 + Super version a kick up the arse and force them to drop prices.

Considering the bigger Navi has no announcement or release or even leaks I don't think we need to worry lol

 

[Gee]

If the target mem freq. is 3733 for the fastest 1:1 IF why WOULDNT you want to target this speed.

You criticising people for it is like complaining people are buying motherboards which support better overclocking when they should spend half as much on a bog standard bare minimum board.

Why don't you focus on what matters to you instead of slinging mud on a perfectly acceptable goal.

It’s Cooper mate he’s a right miserable sod.

 

[Donnie Fisher]

I think zen3 will be an iterative of zen2 rather than a full process jump like the one to 7nm, so it will keep the am4 CPU for one more round.

 

[beany_bot]

I think zen3 will be an iterative of zen2 rather than a full process jump like the one to 7nm, so it will keep the am4 CPU for one more round.

I'ts not a case of "I think". We know this. It's literally been on AMD's public roadmaps for years. Zen3 is 7nm+

 

[Orange Nexus]

The only reason I bought this board in the first place is because it had one of the best designs with power phases/VRM's which I thought would be better for future proofing since AM4 was supposed to be supported until next year.

I would have been happy with a 3700x or 3900x which would have lasted me several years but at the moment my x370 taichi is at a dead end. Upgrading to a 2700x will get me at most 200mhz with barely any IPC increase if I get a good chip.

I would have been better off buying an 8700k/7700k back then as there was a noticeable difference between mine and my friends pc which are similar spec wise apart from the processor and he bought a 7700k for less than my 1700.

Why even bother labelling all the boards AM4 if they aren't cross compatible? I hope ASrock are able to provide a bios update.

This might work . . .

https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS

 

[beany_bot]

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[8 Pack]

It’s Cooper mate he’s a right miserable sod.

You can certainly target it but I don't have one cpu that can reach it as yet with 100% stability over multiple boots.... 3600 is sweet spot which almost all can do...

 

[Illuminist]

You can certainly target it but I don't have one cpu that can reach it as yet with 100% stability over multiple boots.... 3600 is sweet spot which almost all can do...

Considering the 3600x is supposed to be weaker binned, does this affect the stability of the ram with IMC, i guess the question i'm asking is, how many KG can you curl ?

 

[Vish Petrol]

This might work . . .

https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS

How so? Theres nothing there for the x370 Taichi. At least not yet.

 

[8 Pack]

Considering the 3600x is supposed to be weaker binned, does this affect the stability of the ram with IMC, i guess the question i'm asking is, how many KG can you curl ?

No same in all parts IF / IMC as far as I can tell thus far. If 1800. IMC 4500 or so 4800 good. But 1:1 by far the best latency.....

 

[skipper847]

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