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No same in all parts IF / IMC as far as I can tell thus far. If 1800. IMC 4500 or so 4800 good. But 1:1 by far the best latency.....
Thanks for the reply, so in your opinion, would the difference between 3600x and 3700x simply be the boost headroom and how many Kg you can curl?
 
B550 will still be ASMedia and only to PCIe 3.0 standard.
The chipset sure, but the CPU is still PCIe 4 with the much-improved IMC. With X570 prices being as high as they are, they're going to be enthusiast, almost niche purchases, there is no way in hell AMD will have gone to the trouble of better IMC and PCIe 4 if it was restricted to low-volume niche sales.

B550 will have a PCIe 4 option for 1 GPU and 1 NVMe SSD as that's bolted directly to the CPU and within 6 inches, everything else will be PCIe 3 so the board as a whole doesn't need a server-grade PCB and retimers all over the shop.
 
It looks like there will be some AM4 cpus in 2020 afterall, codenamed 'Vermeer'. Sorry if this is nothing new.

More info here:

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/cores/vermeer

I'm also fairly confident that most AM4 motherboards will support cpus released in 2020, based on this:

https://i.imgur.com/CT1YTkM.jpg

and

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/KYTjbWb2ypms1QEy.jpg

and

https://www.msi.com/blog/amd-ryzen-b350-vs-b450-chipset-difference

According to MSI "both B350 and B450 chipsets will support all AMD CPUs released until 2020".

Based on this info, I think upgrades from Zen 2 to Zen 3 will be possible.

I'm thinking of buying the MSI B450 TOMAHAWK as this can supply 150+ amps of power to the CPU, is this a good choice to support future cpu upgrades?
 
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So 8 pack 16gb RAM costs the same £170 for both 3600mhz and 4000mhz after the £20 bump on the 3600MHz one. I know sweet spot for ryzen 3000 is 3600 cl16 but wouldnt it make sense to go for 4000mhz and bring it down to 3600 with lower timings c. cl14 as per 8 pack comments?

Yes of course. But diminishing returns I suspect.
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-098-tg.html

So 8 pack 16gb RAM costs the same £170 for both 3600mhz and 4000mhz after the £20 bump on the 3600MHz one. I know sweet spot for ryzen 3000 is 3600 cl16 but wouldnt it make sense to go for 4000mhz and bring it down to 3600 with lower timings c. cl14 as per 8 pack comments?

Is 4000mhz kit more resilient compared to 3600?
If you're happy changing the timings why not just get the 3200 kit AFAIK the memory modules are all the same the only difference is the XMP profile and larger heat spreaders.
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-098-tg.html

So 8 pack 16gb RAM costs the same £170 for both 3600mhz and 4000mhz after the £20 bump on the 3600MHz one. I know sweet spot for ryzen 3000 is 3600 cl16 but wouldnt it make sense to go for 4000mhz and bring it down to 3600 with lower timings c. cl14 as per 8 pack comments?

Is 4000mhz kit more resilient compared to 3600?

ripjaw 3600hz cl17 samsung b-die were going for just over £100 but sold out FAST!
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-098-tg.html

So 8 pack 16gb RAM costs the same £170 for both 3600mhz and 4000mhz after the £20 bump on the 3600MHz one. I know sweet spot for ryzen 3000 is 3600 cl16 but wouldnt it make sense to go for 4000mhz and bring it down to 3600 with lower timings c. cl14 as per 8 pack comments?

Is 4000mhz kit more resilient compared to 3600?

I would imagine so. Better yet, downclock it 3766 MHz. Could be easier than oc'ing a lower spec'ed kit. Or is it 3733MHz?
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-098-tg.html

So 8 pack 16gb RAM costs the same £170 for both 3600mhz and 4000mhz after the £20 bump on the 3600MHz one. I know sweet spot for ryzen 3000 is 3600 cl16 but wouldnt it make sense to go for 4000mhz and bring it down to 3600 with lower timings c. cl14 as per 8 pack comments?

Is 4000mhz kit more resilient compared to 3600?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3866mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08r-tg.html ;)
 
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