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Ultimately this is the *Consumer* Electronics Show. They're not going to pitch up and talk about data centre or anything else, except perhaps in passing. They're going to talk about products, because that's what you talk to consumers about.

I'm expecting something along the lines of "we've developed the technology at the heart of the next generation of gaming (i.e. consoles) and high performance compute (i.e. data centre), and we're bringing it to the desktop this spring/summer in products like those we're here to talk about today".
 
So Lisa Su is telling lies then?

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AMD’s CEO, Dr. Lisa Su, will be kicking off the new year in style in Las Vegas with the company’s first CES keynote, something she calls a “major milestone for AMD.” But she has also promised to make “some exciting announcements about our next-generation products” at the Consumer Electronics Show.

Stuff in quotes are direct from Lisa Su mouth. Lisa Su say there will be announcements Hardware Unboxed says there wont be;

Quote from hardware unboxed "AMD will not be unveiling/announcing any new 3rd-generation Ryzen products or new Navi GPUs during their CES 2019 keynote"
 
awaybreaktoday said:
So Lisa Su is telling lies then?

Quote:
AMD’s CEO, Dr. Lisa Su, will be kicking off the new year in style in Las Vegas with the company’s first CES keynote, something she calls a “major milestone for AMD.” But she has also promised to make “some exciting announcements about our next-generation products” at the Consumer Electronics Show.

Stuff in quotes are direct from Lisa Su mouth. Lisa Su say there will be announcements Hardware Unboxed says there wont be;

Quote from hardware unboxed "AMD will not be unveiling/announcing any new 3rd-generation Ryzen products or new Navi GPUs during their CES 2019 keynote"
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Making announcements about next-gen products sounds subtly different to announcing a specific product.
 
LePhuronn said:
Well now, this will be interesting.

AdoredTV is lying about having an insider or his insider is lying to him.
or
Hardware Unboxed is lying about having an inside or their insider is lying to them.


With such extreme claims made by both parties, both of the above cannot be true.
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Why? All the leaks could be true and AMD might stupidly not show it all off at CES, in which case they'd both be right.
 
LePhuronn said:
Well now, this will be interesting.

AdoredTV is lying about having an insider or his insider is lying to him.
or
Hardware Unboxed is lying about having an inside or their insider is lying to them.


With such extreme claims made by both parties, both of the above cannot be true.
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Let's be honest here Steve has taken issue with Jim before and fallen foul of the comments he made. It's not the first and likely not the last time those two will spar. The thing is Jim's a tech analyst and Steve's a tech hobbyist who likes to benchmark everything. His benches have gotten much more accurate over the last year and he's also lost a bit of his prickly personality which could result in some easily taken offence. Jim's always been Scottish and abrupt, something I appreciate about him actually. Does like to fire back when fired upon and does so with both barrels. Probably not the best way to handle the interwebs but hey his choices :)

IMO HWU is off base on the CES stuff, but hey they could be right. Won't know until CES kicks off in 4 days.
 
Sin_Chase said:
If it's not a next gen CPU or GPU product what next gen product will they be announcing?
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They could always do an SMS and launch a new console :D

Still want to know what drugs Ian Bell is smoking to think that was a good idea...
 
awaybreaktoday said:
I think we will only get Roadmap news for NAVi and Ryzen and nothing else.... AI/Machine Learning is where its at for these major companies.
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It's CES, does anyone at CES actually care about machine learning right now? I would not be at all surprised if AMD manage to screw this up but it really makes no sense to not reveal at least a decent chunk of Ryzen 3 details, ideally with a demo.
 
Thinking about it, given AMD's presence at CES, Lisa Su specifically at the keynote specifically likely won't talk product specifics, that's not what a keynote is. But to say AMD won't show anything at CES as a whole? I don't buy that for a second. AMD didn't have a keynote last year, but Ryzen 2000 was still announced and launched in April.

Also...

The Consumer Technology Association (CTA)™ today announced that AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su will deliver a keynote address at the upcoming CES® 2019.

In 2019, AMD will catapult computing, gaming, and visualization technologies forward with the world’s first 7nm high-performance CPUs and GPUs, providing the power required to reach technology’s next horizon. During her CES keynote, Dr. Su and guests will provide a view into the diverse applications for new computing technologies ranging from solving some of the world’s toughest challenges to the future of gaming, entertainment and virtual reality with the potential to redefine modern life.

“AMD is transforming the future of computing in our ever-expanding digital world and revolutionizing the $35 billion gaming industry,” said Gary Shapiro, president and CEO, CTA. “We look forward to Dr. Su’s keynote as she paints a picture of the next-generation of computing that will help redefine the future of gaming and virtual entertainment.”
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Emphasis is mine.

https://www.ces.tech/News/Press-Rel...x?NodeID=e8a189c0-5cdf-4176-9d38-ad65a2652e47

How exactly can Lisa do any of this without talking about upcoming Ryzen and Navi? She doesn't have to physically hold up a 3800X or RX 3080 like she did with EPYC Rome, but she can't just talk in vague terms.

But of course, this would prove HU's claim to be semantically correct if she doesn't directly say "this is a Ryzen 9 3800X with 16 cores and a 5GHz boost clock, available to buy in April" in the keynote.
 
EsaT said:
Hence it really can't have much of change. Neither did die size change.
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I guess it depends on how closely you look, the BEOL (and possibly the FEOL) remained the same but pretty much everything else changed to some degree or another, die size may have remained the same but die size doesn't really tell you much, two identical dies can have vastly different densities because of things like one having more dark silicon than the other, smaller logic gates, etc, etc.
EsaT said:
So whole naming was really just marketing.
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It's all be marketing since the move to FinFet as transistor went from 2d (planar) to 3d (FinFet), it's one of the reasons Intel wanted everyone to adopt their 'new' way of calculating density because the link between fabrication size, density, and performance meant less and less.
EsaT said:
And while needed volts dropped little, there's no zone where clock speed increases with no/minimal voltage increase.
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True, but they did increase the maximum clock speed while decrease voltages, that's pretty much a win, in my books, especially when it incurred very little in terms of costs when compared to moving to a completely new node. Maybe it would've been better to call it 14nm+ but I'm not sure how that would've played out with Intel and/or if it would've confused the market/consumer.
 
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